Hiring Hall

[mexfishguide]

I guess this as good a place as any to start this thread, head rat move it as you see fit.

The site has grown up since I came on board april 04, not long after the start up.

We have a few companys coming around, but only, when they are in deep shi-, and need help, more people are signing up every day both companys and hands.

The head rat is all ways asking for suggestion as to the direction we wish to head....!!!

Myself, I see us moving to a hiring hall site in addition to what we have now. Why not? Not with head hunters on a payroll!! But the companys come here and post what they need. 10 electricians must have at least a journey person licenese are an apprenticeship certificate.

5 Tin benders with apprenticeship certificate, most sites list all as HVACR,
thats not right a lot of guys only work duct and that is a trade by itself.

Same thing most people ask for pipe trades. plumber, pipe fitter, sprinkler fitter, pipe welder all positions all methods, these are all different trades.

How can an HR person behind a desk with their books, know the difference between an all position pipe welder and an all position welder?

Do not let me get started again, dam it boy I have told you, & told you, get down off that throne, Ok, Ok, Ok :rockwoot:

L:et me hear what you think folks, is this unreal or a do?

Take care
Mexfishguide :cheers

[Bontom]

I guess this as good a place as any to start this thread, head rat move it as you see fit.

The site has grown up since I came on board april 04, not long after the start up.

We have a few companys coming around, but only, when they are in deep shi-, and need help, more people are signing up every day both companys and hands.

The head rat is all ways asking for suggestion as to the direction we wish to head....!!!

Myself, I see us moving to a hiring hall site in addition to what we have now. Why not? Not with head hunters on a payroll!! But the companys come here and post what they need. 10 electricians must have at least a journey person licenese are an apprenticeship certificate.

5 Tin benders with apprenticeship certificate, most sites list all as HVACR,
thats not right a lot of guys only work duct and that is a trade by itself.

Same thing most people ask for pipe trades. plumber, pipe fitter, sprinkler fitter, pipe welder all positions all methods, these are all different trades.

How can an HR person behind a desk with their books, know the difference between an all position pipe welder and an all position welder?

Do not let me get started again, dam it boy I have told you, & told you, get down off that throne, Ok, Ok, Ok :rockwoot:

L:et me hear what you think folks, is this unreal or a do?

Take care
Mexfishguide :cheers

A Hiring Hall would be a lot for just Head Rat to take on. That is what a Union uses to place people. Head Rat, you would have to hire some business agents. A union hiring hall uses a first come first serve. That way everyone gets a chance to at least to get a job. It's up the person to then keep it.

[HeadRat]

This actually is something that has been discussed, and we are kind of playing with the idea. It was added, but not really mentioned, if you look at your userprofile, there is a field that says "Available Date" It is optional because some people don't want to put it on there. Companies that come in can use a search of crafts then look at that date to contact members.

It is an idea with potential

[Bontom]

This actually is something that has been discussed, and we are kind of playing with the idea. It was added, but not really mentioned, if you look at your userprofile, there is a field that says "Available Date" It is optional because some people don't want to put it on there. Companies that come in can use a search of crafts then look at that date to contact members.

It is an idea with potential
That's great that they can get into the site and see who is available.
I would like to see what they have availible to us.
Companies can post where they have contracts and what personel they will need. Perhaps they can also post rate of pay and the other benefits the job comes with.
I don't know. Is this going beyond the scope of this site?
:2cents

[The Wild Rover]

Bontom,
I agree with you. I would rather have the jobs posted rather than be liable or responsible for a hiring hall. I'm not saying that you're wrong Mexfishguide, because it is a good idea, but there are forsee-able problems. It would never work like the hiring halls you, me, and Bontom are used to. We should think long and hard on this one, because who would be on book two? Who would the "BA's" be? Lots of details...
Starting an oversees union for cleared workers....hmmmm. I don't think it would work. This coming from a Union man. Just my opinion.

[Bontom]

We are having a hard enough time keeping the union here in the US going. I would guess that same attitude towards union here ( by the anti-union companies) might be even more prevalent in the overseas compamies. After all, they are getting away with reducing your prediem. The company seem to be able to tell you how you are going to live your lifes. Union or not, you all have to stand together. I hope when you drag a job, you tell them why you are leaving. And what they can do to keep good workers.

[TheJester]

I'm not saying this can't be accomplished, but there are to many people that will say they will go to a certain asian project for peanuts and that is proof enough that it wouldn't work. I like the Rat Pack and believe in what it is trying to accomplish.
I'm not a union hand, but I have been trained by a lot of them and am very thankful for the things they have gotten us non-union people, but I would say it is too early and to complicated for the Pack to try and pull something like this. Don't try to fix something that isn't broken. This is an information bank and does a great job of it.
my :2cents

[mexfishguide]

I agree with you folks 100%.

I guess I used the wrong words and wording , the term hiring hall is wrong. :wtf ...

I was eluding to a place the different firms can come to and place their employee wanted notices. It would be available to all the registered members to view and sub-mit their resumes if they so desired. :nono:

Maybe employment listing page or pages would be a better heading. Like I said earlier, *********, monster, carrer builder, etc. etc. have a lot of ads for employees. Why can not we?

A (union type) hiring hall will not work in our line of business,I did not, and I do not suggest we get into a union hiring situation. It can not be policed in overseas work, so let us not go down that route.

Maybe the firms we work for and others do not know we would allow them to post up job openeings on this site. :doh

Take Care
Mexfishguide :cheers

[HeadRat]

I was eluding to a place the different firms can come to and place their employee wanted notices. It would be available to all the registered members to view and sub-mit their resumes if they so desired. :nono: Actually, they can. The way it is set up right now they can post any and all jobs in the Job Listings section, which is viewable to the Subscribers. If they want to post it in the "public" area for everyone to see, they have to pay a marginal fee.

Why? Because the basis of this site is to better help the workers and NOT the companies. I do welcome them in and also their participation, but I'm not going to allow them to "mollest" this site as an even easier avenue for them to find people.

Rat Pack International was created and still is just as the banner at the top indicates, "Made BY OverSeas Trades Professionals, FOR OverSeas Trades Professionals."

For years and years, the working man/woman has had to endure job site status information and working conditions handed down to them as second hand knowledge or as "Happy Sun Shiny" info, only to arrive on site to find out it is a very different situation. For the most part, HR personnel have had the luxery of just sitting back and watching the resumes roll in or even just to database them with such things as "oh yeah, we are looking for some people" then you send in a resume and hear nothing back.

Rat Pack International will not become just another tool of different companies HR departments. However, as I have stated, we welcome them to be involved, but with that said, this is THEE place for OverSeas Professionals to congregate. If they want to get as many people as possible to know about a job. They'll Subscribe at the Company rate, otherwise, they are reaching the Subscribers.

[Natch]

Mexfish and all,
I've been in here for quite a while and have seen the site go through some birth pangs, changes, and dead spells.
I think that what you are discussing is what this site is heading towards. Little my little. Ya gotta remember that this site is exactly what we make it and has only been around for a little over a year. Plus as far as I know it's only advertising is word of mouth.
So, it seems to me the best thing that can happen to the site and to all of us out there trying make it, is for the word to actually get around. Tell your buds about us, wear your shirt with pride, and continue to post what ya got.
The more we have in here, the more attention we will get and eventually the more influence we might have on not only making money, but to have a possitive effect on the quality of work.

[Bontom]

In the same way there is a list of companies, I would like to see a list of jobs. I've noticed, to find some of the companies, one has to go to the membership list. Other than an email or private message, this isn't a company contact.
I could be wrong, but it seems to me that this was a site to keep overseas workers in touch with each other.
Head Rat you have to be glad that there is enough interest in that the members want to see it grow.
Bonnie

[mexfishguide]

Head rat you ask for suggestions for the site, so I put one up for discussion.

I am like you, I do not want a bunch of HR people and head hunters, on this site trying to take over. I do believe you and the board members would not allow that! :blahslap

I can see a page, or pages, for firms to list their current or short time away needs. They do not have to have access to our full site, if they join and pay their money fine, but can not bring their employment needs to the rest of the site if so blink them out. All they have to do is go to our help wanted page put down what they need, plus pay, plus perdiem, etc. and job location,. period. done out of there.

I know you have a place for them now if they wish to go there but, I have seen I think 2 and they were jobs I had told you about. So if we make a big deal about the help wanted pages, maybe we can improve the site???

Only subsribed members could see the pages anyway so what can we loose.?

If they want to have a full membership they pay to join like every one else has to do. :2cents

More Discussion please.

Take Care
Mexfishguide :cheers

[TheJester]

In the same way there is a list of companies, I would like to see a list of jobs. I've noticed, to find some of the companies, one has to go to the membership list. Other than an email or private message, this isn't a company contact.
I could be wrong, but it seems to me that this was a site to keep overseas workers in touch with each other.
Head Rat you have to be glad that there is enough interest in that the members want to see it grow.
Bonnie
Actually, I'm just curious as to why it matters, you don't want to go out anyway. :wtf

[HeadRat]

Head rat you ask for suggestions for the site, so I put one up for discussion.No no, I appriciate it. I think with reading posts you and I might be missunderstanding each other, but we are on the same page.

I am like you, I do not want a bunch of HR people and head hunters, on this site trying to take over. I do believe you and the board members would not allow that! :blahslap Even if I was out voted, I have the final VETO and I wouldn't let it happen, on this point. :cheers

I can see a page, or pages, for firms to list their current or short time away needs. They do not have to have access to our full site, if they join and pay their money fine, but can not bring their employment needs to the rest of the site if so blink them out. All they have to do is go to our help wanted page put down what they need, plus pay, plus perdiem, etc. and job location,. period. done out of there.
I know you have a place for them now if they wish to go there but, I have seen I think 2 and they were jobs I had told you about. So if we make a big deal about the help wanted pages, maybe we can improve the site???Yes, this is true. I think we and I are the ones putting most of the work out there. You have posted enough good info and jobs on here that I'm not going to require a subscription from you any more. You've done your duty as a TRUE RAT. :rockwoot:

Being as I have seen and heard some information about that one BALTIC JOB SITE I've already sent out an email to all the companies saying there is rumors of a LOT of cleared Americans fixing to bail out that they would be well advised to make sure they have their jobs posted up soon.

If they want to have a full membership they pay to join like every one else has to do. :2cents Correct, if they want to post in the Confirmed Jobs section, it is free to them. If they want to plaster it on the Main Homepage or in the public area, it's a simple $250/month. No different than posting a help wanted ad in the paper but able to reach FAR more people. :cheers

And, Jester, be nice. :nono:

[mexfishguide]

Thanks

I continue to try and help every one. With my posts and offer of information.

Sending a mailling to our contractors concerning some expat members becoming available, good for you, maybe that will get some attenshion for us. Hope So.

Thanks for the kind words.
Take Care

Mexfishguide :cheers

[Bontom]

Actually, I'm just curious as to why it matters, you don't want to go out anyway. :wtf

Jester, My My My, Now you have really hurt my feelings. All one of them. You know I can't help if I have an angel that watches over me. :doh
But I still love ya!!!