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The Wild Rover
11-24-05, 07:47 AM
Ok Boys and Ladies,
I know it has been a long time since I have put anything in this column, but I have been busy at home, doing home things, and I really had my hands full. Anyhow, I would like to add something new, and that is the age old addage of what to bring to your overseas posting. I have seen guys bring 15 bags of clothes, computers, 3 pairs of cowboy boots, cowboy hats, dusters...you name it. There is a serious debate over the issue of bringing your own tools, and who should pay for it.
Many times I have gone out on projects, with the High Holy Affirmation of the contractor that all the tools will be provided, and are orderded, and on site, only to get there and there are 20 guys fighting over 3 screwdrivers, 2 ladders, and a paintbrush. I am serious. It seems more and more often that the Americans have to compete with the tools orderded, with the local contractor. Most of these tools make it out the gate long before the guards make an effort to control material and tool theft, and the Americans wind up going to the local market to purchase the third world variety of a tape measure. I have even heard said on this site that many will refuse to do the work until the contractors realise the importance of this issue. Many times, the other crafts grab the tools and refuse to let anyone else use them, hiding them in a gangbox until they are needed. I don't blame them one bit. You should have the tools to do your job, on hand, when you need them.
I subscribe to the following theory. I ask the contractor what tools per man he has purchased, and inform them I am bringing my own POCKET TOOLS, with a value of about $500.00, and I will expect them to pay the extra air freight. If this is a problem, I will pay the freight myself...and if I get to the project, and there are no tools, you will pay. "I can get the expense the easy way or the hard way, believe me" is another way of looking at it. You can disagree with this attitude, but sometimes it is every man for himself.
Issue #2 is the ridiculous mentality of guys bringing articles that can immediately identify them as Americans. We are having difficult times as a welcome society overseas, and for security reasons, walking down the street in most countries with a cowboy hat and an American flag shirt will attract unwanted attention to you and your work mates. Leave this shit at home. If you have the habit of visiting local establishments, as most of us do, they will know as soon as you walk in where you are from. Trust me, they always do.
Try to blend in. I know in the Middle East, you will not wear a galabaya, or a dish dash (the head gear), but dressing conservatively will not allow you to stand out in a crowd as a potential terrorist target. Keep your voice down while walking the streets,( Do not attract attention to the fact that you are an American) respect the local customs, and travel in pairs. I have known numerous guys that were great hands on the site, but became idiots on the local nightclub scene, making it hard for the rest of us to have a good time.
Try not to frequent the same place too often, as to make it unpredictable as to when you will be there.
When in the establishments, Look for the exits!! Keep your wits about you!!! I was on a big project in Kenya, and 50 Americans were in a club called "The Florida Room". You had to travel up to the third floor, on a one person wide staircase, to get to a huge club with only one exit. It was a terrorists wet dream, especially in Nairobi...remember the embassy there was blown up. The clean-up after that nightmare was something I am sure many of us would like to forget.
Keep the opinions of the local government to yourself. Most people know how bad they have it, and they do not need an American telling them how great Lodi Ohio is, and how messed up their dictator president or local customs are. There are a lot of people that understand English as a second language, and the huge Russian bouncers will not take it lightly to listen to you talk about how the barmaid would be a nice lay...it could be their sister. Jester and I have seen this happen. One punch, good night, good bye teeth, hello floor!!
Last but not least, patronize the Marine Bar, and give to these hard working men and women. Buy their polo shirts, heck, I have quite a collection. The military men and women make peanuts, and need your support, and friendship. You will be safe, meet many of the embassy staff, and make lasting friends. I continually see embassy personel and Marines from other sites all over the world. Long lasting friendships, and lots of gossip if you are into that sort of thing.
Be a proper representative to your country. Make it proud.
Happy Thanksgiving, give to "Toys for Tots"

HeadRat
11-24-05, 09:39 AM
Holy COW!!! I'm going to have to go get a beer and THEN read this one.

Natch
11-24-05, 04:37 PM
Holy shit.
Once again I'm impressed as well as surprised. This thing is well thought out, well written, and is full of realistic, useful information.
Either this guy writing this stuff is not the same Wild Rover I worked with, or he's copying and pasting the hell out of it. :kib:
Hey thanks buddy, for the input. This post really brings back a not so fond memory. I'm walking down the street in Bolivia, where I should not have been, because there was a protest march going on. As we walk along, my girl freind is translating the message that the marchers are chanting. This is the already translated version. "Gringo, go home, Bolivia is not for sale" over and over of course. I look over and think it might not be too cool to be with this plumber as he staggers along in not only his cowboy hat, but boots, buckle, and one of those long rider style coats, for Christ's sake. Can you say sore thumb?
"And no, you can't get a hamburger here, so get over it"

TheJester
11-25-05, 05:26 AM
A good basic rule of thumb: "Complacency (sp?) = Death"

It isn't to say that no matter where you go or what you do something bad is going to happen, but at the same time, just as soon as you think everything is perfect and nothing can possibly happen to you, something CAN.

keefster
11-25-05, 06:37 AM
havent been on in a long time busy what going on in the world

mexfishguide
11-30-05, 11:19 AM
It is all ways better to errow on the side of being plain then loud and dead.

On the club side, in Angola not long ago there was/is this club loud disco, nice front door, garden lounge out back, BUT, where is the back door? No way out of the garden lounge, a sure death trap to me, so I refused to hang there, one night about 1am, some dude steps in the front door and opens up with an AK47 spraying the joint, lucky none of my guys were hit. But next time ?????? :wtf

Normally when you leave the states, leave the flags, cowboy boots, big buckles, etc, here. Grey plain shirts, work boots, jeans, will get you by normally. :doh

Before you travel to the site,find out some one on the site you can email, do so, and find out what to bring and what not to bring. Most new folks bring several times what they need.

Take Care
Mexfishguide :cheers

TheJester
11-30-05, 12:52 PM
Don't just keep it at only clubs. On a job not to long ago, on DAY TWO, my buddy and I realized that they RESTAURANT right acrossed the street was a death trap waiting to happen.

Guy drives up, gets out, walks away, chirps the alarm, BOOM! Think that kept the first timers and idiots out of there? Nope. An ACTUAL bomb threat was posted and announced by the Ambassidor, PERSONALLY, and set the place off limits, they STILL WENT.

Thankfully, it never happened, but if it would have, I can't say I would have felt bad for them. Don't go, Don't go, DON'T GO, and they still go.

"...Stupidity SHOULD be painful..."

global
12-01-05, 05:57 AM
Like a good friend of mine told me............its all fun and games until someone loses an eye.................or the head that holds those eyes :banghead
Be careful out there.

Bontom
12-07-05, 01:57 PM
I have traveled a lot in Europe and Asia. For my own safety when asked where I was from, I would reply Canada. It really helped in Russia.

maranathamoses
03-25-07, 06:57 AM
Xlnt words of wisdom Wild Rover ! I need help...I been in Kuwait 18 mos.now attempting to work for pwc(now agility)deliverin mail to camps in Kuwait & Iraq.We Americans,Brits & Auzzie's been sittin 3-6 mos. waitin for base access cards,visa's,civil I.D.'s AND Kuwait heavy licenses AND not gettin no kd till the comp. gets these for us so we may drive legal !!!We don't got a clue where to go from here,we wanna work 4 a livin' & get er' done!I'm new @ computer,so ya gotta type slow cuz I read & respond slow.There are a FEW good ol' boys lookin,seekin & prayin for GOOD reputable comp.'s that need me(us) so's we can sweat,work,meet OR exceed the goals & expectations.I've got carpentry skills,yet mostly transportation & fire /med experience.Were here to stay & ready to work once again for a REPUTABLE company,relocate,whatever it takes !...Moses

TheJester
03-25-07, 10:39 AM
I have traveled a lot in Europe and Asia. For my own safety when asked where I was from, I would reply Canada. It really helped in Russia.ARE YOU FREAKING KIDDING ME?:wtf

whitts73
03-25-07, 07:51 PM
I have heard other craft workers tell me how they try to outfox the other foriegn countries by telling them they are from some other country besides the Good old USA. I hope you are sitting down. They know where you are from. The ones that are interested in you already have done thier homework and have you tagged. So if it is going to happen they don't care where you are making up to be from your going to get hit anyway. Or so this is my two cents worth.
:blahslap

The Wild Rover
03-26-07, 01:49 AM
I say I'm from Des Moines, Ohio. That throws them off...plus I usually don't talk to these people until I'm in a slurred speach kind of state, so I have a beer accent, confusing them more.

Pops
03-27-07, 02:38 AM
And you pronounce that phonetically, right, WR!!! Rhymes with Fez Coins!!!:lol:

mexfishguide
03-27-07, 06:06 AM
Don't kid your self, americans stand out like a sore thumb, aannnnnnnnnnd
once you open your mouth there is no doubt.

I do not care if you have been speaking Russian for 2 years the US comes out in your speach.

Do not add to the identification by dressing wildly.

Please pay close attenshion to where you are at.


Take Care
Mexfishguide:cheers

Pops
03-27-07, 08:05 AM
...you mean us "caps" stand out in a crowd?