1 More Accidental Electrocution

[Gabriele]

Sen. Casey Says Army Disclosed 1 More Accidental Electrocution in Iraq, 13 Total
Tuesday , July 01, 2008

Gen. David Petraeus, the top U.S. commander in Iraq, says 13 Americans were electrocuted in Iraq since September 2003 and a contractor has been ordered to inspect the facilities it maintains there for electrical safety hazards, a Pennsylvania senator said.

The military had acknowledged that 12 Americans died in Iraq from accidental electrocution. Sen. Bob Casey said he learned last week from Petraeus that 10 soldiers, one Marine and two private contractors died. Casey said he was not given details on the 13th fatality.

"At least one death is on the record that wasn't on the record before," Casey told The Associated Press on Monday. "It's also very troubling that it takes this long to get this type of information from the Department of Defense."

Petraeus submitted his comments in writing last week to Casey because the Democratic senator's allotted time to question Petraeus before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee in April had elapsed.

Two electrocutions occurred at different housing facilities and involved soldiers taking showers, Petraeus told Casey.

One of the soldiers killed was Staff Sgt. Ryan Maseth, 24, of Pittsburgh, who died Jan. 2 in his barracks in Baghdad. An Army criminal probe blamed improper grounding of an electric pump that supplied water to the building.

Maseth's family has sued KBR Inc., the Houston-based contractor responsible for maintaining Maseth's barracks.

Petraeus said KBR received $3.2 million for maintenance services as part of a February 2007 contract modification. According to Petraeus, KBR had previously provided "only limited technical inspections" at Maseth's barracks.

Inspections performed Feb. 10, 2007, "revealed no deficiencies related to the water pump contributing to Maseth's death but did indicate other grounding issues," Petraeus said.

Casey said he was told the Pentagon has directed KBR to inspect all maintained facilities in Iraq where no prior inspection was performed and to "perform life, health and safety operations" on all other maintained buildings and make needed repairs.

"It's especially troubling that a contract modification didn't prevent (Maseth's death) from happening," Casey said. "Taking a shower should not be an act for which you risk your life."

In a statement Monday, KBR said it is fully cooperating with the government and has "found no evidence of a link between the work it has been tasked to perform and the reported electrical safety issues."

The Department of Defense Inspector General is investigating the deaths, as is the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform. Casey also wrote to Defense Secretary Robert Gates this month seeking specifics on base inspections and repairs.

[Gabriele]

In a statement Monday, KBR said it is fully cooperating with the government and has "found no evidence of a link between the work it has been tasked to perform and the reported electrical safety issues."

Why of course not.

[alky]

"accidents" like these dont just happen--they are caused by sloppy--inept "craftsmen" supervising a third world national to do the work that the craftsman believes is below him. He is so impressed with himself by having a crew of untraind nationals working for him, that he stops even trying to inspect, cause it would require him to go out of the A/C in the office and into the workplace. These "craftsmen" are or were in another vocation prior to reporting to work in Iraq, or other far flung destination. Beware brothers--If you have to move into one of these buildings---have a trained electrician take a meter and a roll of wire and check out your new pad--Electricians ---the Pros-- are cheap, for this service they probably wont chargr more than a six pac of the local brew.

[machinistman]

ALKY,,, your words are gold,,,You speak the truth,,,Who didnt know this was going on...

[Gabriele]

ALKY,,, your words are gold,,,You speak the truth,,,Who didnt know this was going on...

Bad enough that the first person died, but why wasn't this corrected after the first person died, and they are allowing KBR to inspect their own work, good grief.

[HeadRat]

Some companies unfortunately believe that throwing money at problems solves them

[pensacola_niceman]

I just completed an electrical assessment of a facility in the IZ right next to the embassy complex. None of the distribution panels were properly grounded. I would read anyway from 600 ohms to infinity with my clamp meter. ALL of the cable was undersized for the amperage of the circuit. This facility had three sets of generators and NO paralleling equipment and NO transfer switches. They were relying on guys opening and closing certain breakers depending on what generators were running. I found 400V busbars less than 1/2 inch clearance between them. Of course, most of the wiring was the sloppy "ali baba" type you see so often here.

At the assessment debrief, I told the client how lucky they were that nobody has been killed yet.

[sme]

Yep! PNM,you said a lot with just one word CLIENT,most people don't know
how everything works with THE CLIENT as far as assessments well you might as well be telling a baby not to play with matches,thier gonna play with them any way.And for KBR look at the contacts list more than one overseas company working for the CLIENT. :2cents

[Justus]

July 11, 2008

By SUZANNE GAMBOA (Associated Press Writer)


WASHINGTON - KBR Inc. used employees with little electrical expertise to supervise subcontractors in Iraq and hired foreigners who couldn't speak English to do the work, former KBR electricians told a Senate panel investigating the electrocutions of 13 Americans.

Experienced electricians who raised concerns about shoddy work and its possible hazards were often dismissed and told, "This is a war zone," the electricians said.

"Time and again we heard, `This is not the states, OSHA doesn't apply here. If you don't like it you can go home,'" said Debbie Crawford, a journeyman electrician with 30 years experience.

Crawford and Jefferey Bliss, also a former KBR electrician, testified in the 17th hearing held by the Democratic Policy Committee, which has been examining waste, fraud and abuse in Iraq and the performance of the country's war contractors. Both Democrats and Republicans attended the hearing.

The Pentagon has said 13 Americans have been electrocuted in Iraq since September 2003. It has ordered Houston-based KBR to inspect all the facilities it maintains in Iraq for electrical hazards. But Sen. Byron Dorgan, D-N.D., who chaired the panel, questioned whether KBR could police its own work.

In an e-mailed statement, KBR said its investigation so far has not turned up evidence of a link between its work and the electrocutions. "We continue to conduct technical inspections on all facilities serviced by KBR throughout Iraq to ensure safe and proper operations for those we serve," spokeswoman Heather Browne said in the statement.

The mothers of two soldiers who were electrocuted also testified about the deaths of their sons, Staff Sgt. Christopher Lee Everett and Staff Sgt. Ryan Maseth of Pittsburgh.

Everett, a member of the Texas Army National Guard, was electrocuted in September 2005, while using a power washer to clean sand from beneath a Humvee. Maseth, an Army Ranger and Green Beret, was electrocuted in January 2008 while taking a shower in his Army barracks in Baghdad.

"I plead with you to do something to bring an end to this unnecessary cause of death to our soldiers," said Larraine McGee of Huntsville, Texas. "They should not have to worry about stepping into a shower or using a power washer in the safety of an established base."

Bliss told the panel "carelessness and disregard for quality of work at KBR was pervasive."

Electricians were not provided with tools needed to do their jobs. Additionally, KBR hired foreigners who were not familiar with U.S. electrical standards and who didn't speak English.

"I was surprised to discover how many KBR electricians did not have the right experience and training," Bliss said.

The soldiers' mothers said KBR and the Army knew of the electrical problems before their sons' deaths. KBR had inspected Maseth's housing 11 months before he died. The inspector noted that the main circuit panel, the secondary feeder panel and the water tank were not grounded, said Cheryl Harris, his mother.

Grounding reduces the risk of electrocution. Maseth's family has sued KBR.

McGee said she had been told by the Army that her son's death was unique. An Army report blamed his death on an improperly grounded generator that powered the power washer. McGee said she was told Everett's death led to all generators in Iraq being properly grounded.

But in April, she learned from a reporter the Army had issued a report on soldiers' electrocutions calling them the "unexpected killer." The report urged the Army to ensure contractors properly ground electrical systems.

"All this time, I thought Chris' accident was an isolated incident," she said. "My son should not have died. Ryan Maseth should have never died. Proper grounding is a basic safety requirement. The problem was known about long before Chris' death."

[mexfishguide]

As i read these reports, I can cry>!!! Basic grounding is so simple anyone with just a small amount of training should know the ground is the most importanr part of any circuit. I can only think the pay rates KBR has, is preventing them from getting qualified help!!!!!!!!!! If I was part of this, never could I forgive myself. The least the gov. can do is send in """QUALIFIED """
ELECTRICAL INSPECTORS. I know they will not pay enough to hire good people either.
On the design end, more time should be spent on the drawings, conerning the grounding system. My experience in the desert is - some times it is almost impossible to get a ground with 1 grd rod, even 5 or 6 will not always do the job.
I remember on the gulf coast we had to build large ground grids out of 6 and 8" i-beam, anout 30' square, cad weld 500 mcm to the grid and drop the grid into the gulf approx. 100 to 150' from shore. But we got a dam ground.

Take Care
Mexfishguide:cheers

[Justus]

Committee to Hold Hearing on Deficient Electrical Systems at U.S. Facilities in Iraq

The Committee on Oversight and Government Reform will hold a hearing titled, “Deficient Electrical Systems at U.S. Facilities in Iraq” on Wednesday, July 30, 2008, in 2154 Rayburn House Office Building.

The hearing will examine electrical problems leading to the injuries and deaths of military personnel and the Department of Defense’s management and oversight of contractors.

The following witnesses are expected to testify:

--U.S. Senator Bob Casey, (D-PA)

--Gordon S. Heddell, Acting Inspector General, U.S. Department of Defense

--Don Horstman, Deputy Inspector General for Policy and Oversight, U.S. Department of Defense

--Charlie E. Williams, Jr., Director, Defense Contract Management Agency

--Keith Ernst, Former Director, Defense Contract Management Agency

--Jeffrey P. Parsons, Executive Director, Army Contracting Command, U.S. Army

--Tom Bruni, Theater Engineering and Construction Manager, KBR, Inc.

[mexfishguide]

low wages / low quality!! As long as the gov. & contractors, bet their money on low ball pay we are in trouble. I can not count the times I have called for good expat workers and been turned down. Anyone that has " local folks to help him " that means help him. You need to be in the field with the locals that are making an attemt to do the work. How in the / HELL / can people let trashy, un safe work take place, if I was responsible for these problems, I could not live with myself. There needs to be a number set, say 1 expat and 1 local, the expats do the work and the locals " help " :wtf. thats what a journeyman means. plumb / level / square & grounded.

Take Care
Mex fish:cheers

Work ?? - camp / fish / drink beers - yes.

[Justus]

House Committee Members Grill KBR On 16 Electrocutions of Troops in Iraq

7/31/2008
By Bruce Buckley

Contractor KBR and Dept. of Defense officials appeared before Congress Wednesday in a heated hearing into the deaths of soldiers in Iraq because faulty wiring at military facilities.

Testimony before the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee focused primarily on the death of Army sergeant Ryan Maseth, who was electrocuted while taking a shower Jan. 8, 2008, in a facility maintained by Houston-based KBR. Maseth is one of 16 Americans who have died in non-combat electrocutions in Iraq since 2003, according to the DOD inspector general.

Congressmen from both sides of the aisle pushed KBR and federal witnesses to determine who is responsible for Maseth’s death. An ungrounded water pump was identified as the source of the problem at the facility, known as LSF-1.

In 2006. the Army tasked KBR with maintaining LSF-1, according to Tom Bruni, theater engineering and construction manager at KBR. At that time, “all electrical systems and equipment had already been installed, though KBR does not know when or by whom,” he said.

Bruni told the committee that under its contract for LSF-1, “KBR performs repairs only when specifically directed to do so by the Army.”

After being pressed repeatedly by Rep. Tom Davis (R-Va.) to say who he believes is responsible, Bruni told the committee, “The responsibility lies with the Army.”

Committee Chairman Henry Waxman (D-Calif.) noted that Sgt. Justin Hummer, who occupied the same quarters as Maseth, reported having been shocked “four or five times in the shower” between June and October 2007. On at least one occasion, Hummer had to “use a wooden handle to turn off the shower nozzle because the electrical current was so strong,” Waxman said. On each occasion, a work order was written up and submitted, according to Hummer.

Rep. Brian Higgins (D-N.Y.) produced a July 8, 2007, KBR work order signed by Hummer that showed KBR had replaced a water pump at a LSF facility. However Bruni said that the work described had been performed at a different LSF facility, not in Maseth’s quarters.

KBR declared LSF-1 “uninhabitable for safety and health reasons” and recommended that if the building would continue to be used, power should be disconnected immediately and electrical systems should be replaced, according to a March 20, 2008, KBR memo. Rep. John Tierney (R-Mass.) noted that KBR has previously inspected the facility, but did not recommended evacuation.

“Why did KBR recommend evacuation in 2008, but not during the 2007 inspection?” he asked.

“I don’t know why [the KBR program manager] didn’t,” Bruni said.

Rep. Stephen Lynch (D-Mass.), who has a background in construction management, asked Bruni why KBR couldn’t “flag” the faulty shower so that it couldn’t be used.

“The decision to keep those soldiers in that facility is made by the army, not KBR,” Bruni said.

KBR was also asked about its responsibility for a motor pool generator that reportedly electrocuted Staff Sargeant Christopher Everett in 2005 while he was power-washing a vehicle. Rep. Jason Altmire (D-Pa.) presented a memo that stated KBR was responsible for maintenance of the motor pool. However, Bruni said while the generator was located near the motor pool, it was not considered part of the motor pool.

Jeffrey Parsons, executive director, army contracting command with the U.S. Army, testified that personnel had met with KBR officials to discuss hiring practices and requirements for electricians to include certification requirements. KBR’s contract was modified July 21 to reflect those changes. KBR was also directed to submit a “Trades Certificate and Validation Plan” to the government describing the process they will use to recruit, train and retain qualified personnel, Parsons said.

Parsons noted that neither the Defense Contract Management Agency nor the Logistics Civil Augmentation Program “have sufficient skill sets or expertise to perform adequate oversight of electrical work being performed by KBR.” A plan is being developed to inspect KBR maintained buildings using third-party inspectors, Parsons said.

“Are we saying, Mr. Parsons, that we don’t have anyone on staff or on contract that has a background as a building inspector?” asked Rep. Brian Bilbray (R-Calif.).

“We are in the process of working in the theater with Multi National Corps-Iraq to do just that,” Parsons said.

Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Calif.) criticized federal witnesses for not being able to name who within the Army chain of command is responsible for overseeing the facility and authorizing KBR work.

“We have to understand who was responsible for that [Maseth’s] welfare,” he said. “I don’t want to look at an electrician who did or didn’t get a task order. I want to look at the chain of command and if it did its job.”

DOD witnesses were also unable to name the firms responsible for installing or maintaining faulty wiring at six other facilities, where U.S. servicemen were killed by electrocution dating back to 2004.

Acting DOD Inspector General Gordon Heddell said his office is looking into those questions and expects to complete its investigation by October.

“I’m concerned,” Waxman said. “It seems like you have less information than the committee. It raises the question of whether you were doing your job or whether the Dept. of Defense or KBR were withholding information from you.”

[mexfishguide]

Part of the above makes sense to me not all but part / The documents to prove qualified electricians is good / a lot of us on rat pack for asked for this several times. If this had of been put in to effect several years ago = we may hve avoided the tragic loss of life. Maybe we will get some action now / I hope so!!!

Take Care
Mex fish guide:cheers

[Justus]

Petraeus: More than 80,000 buildings under review

August 4, 2008

By KIMBERLY HEFLING (Associated Press Writer)


WASHINGTON - More than 80,000 facilities in Iraq will be inspected for faulty wiring as part of an effort to prevent future accidental electrocutions of U.S. troops, the top commander in Iraq said.

At least 10 U.S. soldiers, five Marines and a third-country contractor for the Defense Department have been identified as having died by electrocution in Iraq.

Gen. David Petraeus, the top U.S. commander in Iraq, spelled out the extent of the review that began last month in a letter to Sen. Bob Casey, D-Pa., that was released Monday by Casey's office. Casey had questioned what changes had been made following the death of a Green Beret from Pittsburgh, Sgt. Ryan Maseth, who was electrocuted while showering.

Petraeus said a team was named to oversee the review of more than 80,000 facilities, which include 6,000 pre-existing Iraqi facilities. All are maintained by the Logistics Civil Augmentation Program, which Petraeus said performs operations and maintenance on 61 bases in Iraq as well as smaller combat outposts and security stations.

The team will also develop repair and prevention plans, Petraeus said.

Casey said in a statement the inspections "should have been taken a long time ago," but he was pleased that Petraeus was making the changes.

[The Wild Rover]

I wonder who KBR will choose to inspect the work? Surely, the Defense Dept. will hire an outside contractor...
WTF! Who are we kidding. What a joke, What a damn shame.

[pensacola_niceman]

I wonder who KBR will choose to inspect the work? Surely, the Defense Dept. will hire an outside contractor...
WTF! Who are we kidding. What a joke, What a damn shame.

My company is getting new work from individual companies (not Army contracts) to inspect and repair their electrical systems. I just started one that has mostly pre-war Iraqi wiring in a compound with many hard buildings. I can safely say it is a bloody death trap. No grounding, exposed live parts everywhere, and the worst workmanship I have ever seen.

[voodoochild]

You sparkies best square your asses away.... Hearing these stories makes me afraid to take a shower or even turn the lights on. Pensacola you got a message inbound.

[Tchiz]

Thats why people like me "Drag Up" not going to be a part of killing or hurting somebody due to shit work!!!

[james fields]

[QIf the senator wants to know why men and women are dieing he should contact axxan3@yahoo.com. I work for KBR in Iraq and I know why. I tried to get someone to listen to me but no one would while I was over there. I wrote Bush newspapers congressmen and men and women that want to be the next president but they were not interested. UOTE=Gabriele;17335]Sen. Casey Says Army Disclosed 1 More Accidental Electrocution in Iraq, 13 Total
Tuesday , July 01, 2008

Gen. David Petraeus, the top U.S. commander in Iraq, says 13 Americans were electrocuted in Iraq since September 2003 and a contractor has been ordered to inspect the facilities it maintains there for electrical safety hazards, a Pennsylvania senator said.

The military had acknowledged that 12 Americans died in Iraq from accidental electrocution. Sen. Bob Casey said he learned last week from Petraeus that 10 soldiers, one Marine and two private contractors died. Casey said he was not given details on the 13th fatality.

"At least one death is on the record that wasn't on the record before," Casey told The Associated Press on Monday. "It's also very troubling that it takes this long to get this type of information from the Department of Defense."

Petraeus submitted his comments in writing last week to Casey because the Democratic senator's allotted time to question Petraeus before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee in April had elapsed.

Two electrocutions occurred at different housing facilities and involved soldiers taking showers, Petraeus told Casey.

One of the soldiers killed was Staff Sgt. Ryan Maseth, 24, of Pittsburgh, who died Jan. 2 in his barracks in Baghdad. An Army criminal probe blamed improper grounding of an electric pump that supplied water to the building.

Maseth's family has sued KBR Inc., the Houston-based contractor responsible for maintaining Maseth's barracks.

Petraeus said KBR received $3.2 million for maintenance services as part of a February 2007 contract modification. According to Petraeus, KBR had previously provided "only limited technical inspections" at Maseth's barracks.

Inspections performed Feb. 10, 2007, "revealed no deficiencies related to the water pump contributing to Maseth's death but did indicate other grounding issues," Petraeus said.

Casey said he was told the Pentagon has directed KBR to inspect all maintained facilities in Iraq where no prior inspection was performed and to "perform life, health and safety operations" on all other maintained buildings and make needed repairs.

"It's especially troubling that a contract modification didn't prevent (Maseth's death) from happening," Casey said. "Taking a shower should not be an act for which you risk your life."

In a statement Monday, KBR said it is fully cooperating with the government and has "found no evidence of a link between the work it has been tasked to perform and the reported electrical safety issues."

The Department of Defense Inspector General is investigating the deaths, as is the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform. Casey also wrote to Defense Secretary Robert Gates this month seeking specifics on base inspections and repairs.[/QUOTE]

[Justus]

By JAMES RISEN
New York Times

Published: October 24, 2008

WASHINGTON — The Pentagon has rebuked its largest contractor in Iraq after a series of inspections uncovered shoddy electrical work and other problems on American military bases there, according to several Defense Department officials.

The Defense Contract Management Agency, the Pentagon agency in charge of supervising contractors in Iraq, determined in August that KBR, the Houston-based company that provides virtually all basic services for the American military in both Iraq and Afghanistan, has been guilty of “serious contractual noncompliance” in Iraq, the officials said.

The Pentagon’s finding could lead to cuts or delays in payments to KBR, and ultimately to a decision by the Army to withhold hundreds of millions of dollars in bonuses and fees due the company, officials said, but they added that no decisions on financial penalties had been made.

Defense officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity in order to discuss internal deliberations, declined to elaborate on the reasons for the new findings, except to say that they related to electrical problems and other issues.

KBR, formerly a subsidiary of Halliburton, has had a virtual monopoly on military services contracts in Iraq since the 2003 invasion, garnering more than $24 billion from its business in the war zone.

Questions about the quality of KBR’s electrical work on American bases in Iraq have plagued the company throughout 2008, leading to investigations and hearings by Congress as well as an inquiry by the Pentagon’s inspector general.

Internal Pentagon documents obtained by The New York Times suggest that the electrical problems may be more widespread than had been believed. A chart compiled by Army officials and not previously made public shows that more American personnel have been electrocuted in Iraq than the Bush administration has acknowledged.

At least 18 people have died from electrocution since the March 2003 invasion, including 10 from the Army, 5 from the Marine Corps, 1 from the Navy and 2 military contractors. The most recent electrocution occurred on Feb. 24. A chart listing each electrocution provides details but does not identify the victims by name.

This is the second time that the Pentagon has raised its figures on electrocutions in Iraq. Last spring, the Defense Department said that 12 American personnel members had been electrocuted in the country, and then later told Congress that the accurate figure was 13.

KBR is scrambling to respond with a plan to correct the problems cited by the Defense contracting experts, Pentagon officials said. Pentagon officials held a private meeting with KBR officials in Washington last week to review the company’s response, several of the officials said.

Heather Browne, a spokeswoman for KBR, declined to comment on the Pentagon’s finding.

In the past, some Army contracting experts have complained that their superiors in the Pentagon have been reluctant to confront KBR over its fees and the quality of its work. For example, the Army’s top official in charge of the KBR contract at the beginning of the war has said that he was removed from his job in 2004 after challenging KBR’s billing records for its work in Iraq.

The issue of shoddy electrical work on American military bases in Iraq first emerged in the wake of the death in January of Staff Sgt. Ryan D. Maseth, a Green Beret from Pennsylvania who was electrocuted while taking a shower in his barracks in Baghdad.

Sergeant Maseth’s family went public with their questions about the circumstances surrounding his death and filed a wrongful death lawsuit against KBR, accusing the company of failing to adequately maintain the building’s electrical system.

The Maseth case led to investigations of electrical work on American bases by Congress and the Pentagon’s inspector general, and ultimately prompted an order for comprehensive safety inspections of the electrical work at all American military facilities in Iraq.

Officials said that the Army recently reopened its investigation into Sergeant Maseth’s death, after obtaining new testimony and evidence in the case, including the discovery that another soldier had suffered electrical shocks while assigned to the same room as Sergeant Maseth.

KBR has “fully cooperated with Army C.I.D. on this matter, and we will continue to do so,” Ms. Browne, the spokeswoman, said, referring to the Army’s Criminal Investigation Command. “KBR maintains that its activities in Iraq were not responsible for Staff Sergeant Maseth’s death.”

[Gabriele]

“KBR maintains that its activities in Iraq were not responsible for Staff Sergeant Maseth’s death.”

Why of course not, you'd think that our military would know better then to use the crappy building with the poor electrical systems. :wtf

[The Wild Rover]

By JAMES RISEN
At least 18 people have died from electrocution since the March 2003 invasion, including 10 from the Army, 5 from the Marine Corps, 1 from the Navy and 2 military contractors. The most recent electrocution occurred on Feb. 24. A chart listing each electrocution provides details but does not identify the victims by name...Officials said that the Army recently reopened its investigation into Sergeant Maseth’s death, after obtaining new testimony and evidence in the case, including the discovery that another soldier had suffered electrical shocks while assigned to the same room as Sergeant Maseth.

KBR has “fully cooperated with Army C.I.D. on this matter, and we will continue to do so,” Ms. Browne, the spokeswoman, said, referring to the Army’s Criminal Investigation Command. “KBR maintains that its activities in Iraq were not responsible for Staff Sergeant Maseth’s death.”


So what does this mean? Throw out all the KBR Electrical Management resumes?! Shit, if I worked for these idiots, I'd just take that entire project off my resume!!! Maybe the gov't should insist that NOBODY hire KBR management and their filthy ilk?! Good grief, I would not want any of these guys to wire a school, hospital, or advanced care facility...but it's ok for them to wire a bathroom. Keep these idiots away from the community pools!!! It's funny how most of the resumes that come across the desks anymore for electricians all seem to be guys that were foremen...what ever happened to skilled, trained Journeymen? Some asshole did not do his job, and it comes back to American mis-management on the project executive level...I guess that grounding wire just bonded itself back at the water pump, and forgot to at the panel?! Lets hire helpers, and in a year they can call themselves Journeymen!
Don't get me entirely wrong, there are good quality hands everywhere....but 18 ELECTROCUTIONS???!! That is unheard of.:wtf

[drifter]

KBR must be accountable for Iraq deaths-US senators
Tue Jan 27 20:40:12 UTC 2009

By Andrea Shalal-Esa

WASHINGTON, Jan 27 (Reuters) - U.S. lawmakers on Tuesday raised concerns about the U.S. military's increased use of private contractors in Iraq and Afghanistan, and said KBR <KBR.N> and other companies should be held accountable for the electrocution deaths of U.S. soldiers and other mistakes.

Democratic Sens. Robert Casey of Pennsylvania and Byron Dorgan of North Dakota said the Army recently told the mother of a U.S. soldier that her son's electrocution death in Iraq was not accidental, but a "negligent homicide" by contractor KBR and two of its supervisors.

"Soldiers have died. Someone needs to be accountable for that," Dorgan told a news conference, describing the Pentagon's use of contractors in Iraq a "huge mess."

KBR spokeswoman Heather Browne said the company's investigation had produced no evidence linking the company to the death of Staff Sgt. Ryan Maseth, who died from electrocution while taking a shower at his Baghdad base.

"KBR takes exception to the senators' assertion that we have been derelict in our duties to protect the troops," she said, pledging continued cooperation with the investigation.

Sen. Carl Levin, the Michigan Democrat who heads the Senate Armed Services Committee, repeatedly questioned Defense Secretary Robert Gates at a hearing Tuesday about the use of contractors to protect U.S. facilities in war zones.

Such work was "an inherently governmental function," he said. "It should not be performed by contractors."

Gates told the committee the U.S. military would need to continue using private contractors to provide security in Afghanistan, at least until U.S. troop levels there increased.

But he said he was creating a supervisory structure to oversee the work of private contractors in Afghanistan, based on an oversight body built up in Iraq over the past year.

"We're trying to take the lessons learned out of Iraq over the last couple of years in terms of the lack of oversight, and transfer that to Afghanistan," Gates said, adding that a broad study was underway about the use of private contractors.

He declined to comment on a report in the Wall Street Journal on Tuesday which said U.S. troops had come into conflict with private security companies in Afghanistan, and some employees were taking orders from the Taliban.

Last month, five security guards who worked for North Carolina-based Blackwater, the largest security contractor in Iraq, were charged with killing 14 unarmed civilians and wounding 20 others in a 2007 shooting in Baghdad that outraged Iraqis and strained U.S.-Iraqi relations.

Gates did not address the electrocution death or the Blackwater incident directly. But he said the use of contractors "grew willy-nilly in Iraq after 2003."

"All of a sudden, we had a very large number of people over there and ... as became clear, inadequate capacity to monitor them," Gates told the committee.

He said training was one area that could be done legitimately and less expensively by contractors, but there had not been any coherent strategy thus far on "what we will allow contractors to do and what we won't allow contractors to do."

Gates said the military also needed to decide what to do with large quantities of U.S. government-owned equipment now being operated by private contractors, particularly once the United States began drawing down its forces in Iraq.

"All of this is going to require a high level of supervision and I think we need to think pretty quickly and ... with some agility in the Department of Defense to make sure that we get this right," Gates said.

Dorgan and Casey said they asked Gates to meet with them and Cheryl Harris, Maseth's mother, after an Army investigator told Harris in a December email that two KBR employees and the company itself could be criminally liable for Maseth's death.

Dorgan, who heads the Senate Democratic Policy Committee, said he has chaired 18 oversight hearings on contracting abuses and corruption in Iraq and Afghanistan, exposing "billions of dollars in wasteful spending," shoddy work by private contractors, and unsafe water supplies. (Reporting by Andrea Shalal-Esa; Editing by Richard Chang)

[guitartexan]

Army: Shower Death Negligent Homicide
January 23, 2009
Associated Press

WASHINGTON - An Army investigation called the electrocution death of a U.S. Soldier in Iraq a "negligent homicide" caused by military contractor KBR Inc. and two of its supervisors, according to a document obtained by The Associated Press.

An Army criminal investigator said the manner of death for Staff Sgt. Ryan Maseth, 24, of Pittsburgh, has been changed from accidental to negligent homicide because the contractor failed to ensure that "qualified electricians and plumbers" worked on the barracks where Maseth died, according to the document.

Heather L. Browne, a spokeswoman for Houston-based KBR, said in a statement that the company cannot comment on the report because the company has not seen it.

"KBR's investigation has produced no evidence that KBR was responsible for Sgt. Maseth's death," Browne said. "We have cooperated fully with all government agencies investigating this matter and will do so in the future."

The Green Beret died of cardiac arrest on Jan. 2, 2008. He was electrocuted while taking a shower in his barracks in Baghdad. He was assigned to the 5th Special Forces Group at Fort Campbell, Ky.

The document obtained by the AP, dated Dec. 16, said the case was under legal review at Army's Criminal Investigation Command headquarters at Fort Belvoir, Va. A spokesman for the Army's criminal division, Christopher Grey, said the investigation continues and any conclusions drawn now would be premature.

Last year, Maseth's parents filed a wrongful death lawsuit in Allegheny County, Pa., against KBR. It alleges that KBR allowed U.S. troops to continue using electrical systems "which KBR knew to be dangerous and knew had caused prior instances of electrocution."

Maseth's mother, Cheryl Harris, testified on Capitol Hill about electrical problems in military facilities. Since then, the Army has made changes such as creating an electrical code for U.S. facilities in Iraq. At one point last year, the deaths of at least 18 U.S. service members and contractors were under investigation as possible electrocutions.

Sen. Bob Casey, D-Pa., said in a statement that the Army CID's investigation validates the work by Maseth's mother.

"We must not only ensure that full accountability is served in this case, but that the Pentagon is also doing all that it can to prevent future electrocutions of American personnel in both Iraq and Afghanistan," Casey said.

KBR was previously owned by Halliburton Co., the oil services conglomerate that former Vice President Dick Cheney once led. Congressional Democrats long have complained that KBR has benefited from its ties to Cheney.


later/GT

[Megga Watt]

Army: Shower Death Negligent Homicide
January 23, 2009
Associated Press

WASHINGTON - An Army investigation called the electrocution death of a U.S. Soldier in Iraq a "negligent homicide" caused by military contractor KBR Inc. and two of its supervisors, according to a document obtained by The Associated Press.

An Army criminal investigator said the manner of death for Staff Sgt. Ryan Maseth, 24, of Pittsburgh, has been changed from accidental to negligent homicide because the contractor failed to ensure that "qualified electricians and plumbers" worked on the barracks where Maseth died, according to the document.

Heather L. Browne, a spokeswoman for Houston-based KBR, said in a statement that the company cannot comment on the report because the company has not seen it.

"KBR's investigation has produced no evidence that KBR was responsible for Sgt. Maseth's death," Browne said. "We have cooperated fully with all government agencies investigating this matter and will do so in the future."

The Green Beret died of cardiac arrest on Jan. 2, 2008. He was electrocuted while taking a shower in his barracks in Baghdad. He was assigned to the 5th Special Forces Group at Fort Campbell, Ky.

The document obtained by the AP, dated Dec. 16, said the case was under legal review at Army's Criminal Investigation Command headquarters at Fort Belvoir, Va. A spokesman for the Army's criminal division, Christopher Grey, said the investigation continues and any conclusions drawn now would be premature.

Last year, Maseth's parents filed a wrongful death lawsuit in Allegheny County, Pa., against KBR. It alleges that KBR allowed U.S. troops to continue using electrical systems "which KBR knew to be dangerous and knew had caused prior instances of electrocution."

Maseth's mother, Cheryl Harris, testified on Capitol Hill about electrical problems in military facilities. Since then, the Army has made changes such as creating an electrical code for U.S. facilities in Iraq. At one point last year, the deaths of at least 18 U.S. service members and contractors were under investigation as possible electrocutions.

Sen. Bob Casey, D-Pa., said in a statement that the Army CID's investigation validates the work by Maseth's mother.

"We must not only ensure that full accountability is served in this case, but that the Pentagon is also doing all that it can to prevent future electrocutions of American personnel in both Iraq and Afghanistan," Casey said.

KBR was previously owned by Halliburton Co., the oil services conglomerate that former Vice President Dick Cheney once led. Congressional Democrats long have complained that KBR has benefited from its ties to Cheney.


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Geeeeeeee I wonder why they moved their home office out of the USA into a foreign country???????:banghead
Maybe to avoid prosecution???:AR15
And to make US citizens fall guys. :nono:

[Grantlee]

This not rocket science. Even if the earth ground is poor due to geographic conditions, proper equipment grounding/bonding to voltage source and grounding/bonding of all metal systems to source will open a fault if there is any kind of overcurrent device on the line. Any inspections, even by novices, should catch this. Appears that alot of folks are to blame here. For someone to be electrocuted in a shower means alot of simple first grade shit was ignored.

[james fields]

This not rocket science. Even if the earth ground is poor due to geographic conditions, proper equipment grounding/bonding to voltage source and grounding/bonding of all metal systems to source will open a fault if there is any kind of overcurrent device on the line. Any inspections, even by novices, should catch this. Appears that alot of folks are to blame here. For someone to be electrocuted in a shower means alot of simple first grade shit was ignored.

I worked for kbr 5 years ago and saw electricial issues 1st hand
KBR only did maintances then I saw and reported grounding issues.
Portable showers were being built as well as new construction by other countries
The Army was building tempory buildings
Question is who built the showers? I ask this question before I came home
How can you explain how someone that puts their life on the line fighting for this country dyes taking a shower, was told that it was not KBRs problemn
I wrote congressmen and the press and no one would listen
At this I go upset and came home
I was told I was not the 1st to leave because of this.
Portable showers were being built by the contactor that built the Iraq Embassy if you take time to read about the problemns with the job they did you will understand it is ok because they are building more embassys for us.

[Grantlee]

James,
I have heard of these issues through my contacts out there as well as in Professional publications. It appears from all the double-speak the contractors and others that are familiar with that problem will not address it head on. I think it is going to fall on the well trained workers and managers in the field now and the future ones to suck it up, look for it, and report every time it appears. It would be nice if they are allowed to correct it. It pisses me off that a worker has to actually quit because the problem will not be addressed by those holding the dollar. I refused to do a job once due to serious safety issues of others; the management chastised me severly and then they had the work done in the unsafe way they wanted me to do and as far as I know it is still unsafe today. At least I can sleep at night over my actions, I don't know how they can. OUR FIGHTING MEN AND WOMEN DESERVE TO BE SAFE IN THE SHELTERS THAT ARE PROVIDED!!!!
Everyone else that uses the buildings should be safe too

[limaone]

I am currently employed by KBR in a position that supports the above mentioned trade but im not going to elaborate on the situation for fear of retaliation.Ive tried to find work with other contractors but I honestly believe that when they see who I work for my resume goes directly to the trash can.

[The Wild Rover]

This just shows you how ridiculous the attitude is when it comes to electrical safety, and KBR and their cheap labor prove it. I hope this does not happen in Afghanistan...From CNN...


Shoddy wiring 'everywhere' on Iraq bases, Army inspector says

Army conducting review of all wiring in Iraq, says half of buildings failed miserably
Inspector: "With the buildings the way they are, we're playing Russian roulette"

18 U.S. troops have been electrocuted since 2003 from wiring issues

KBR Inc. "installed it all. And it's wrong. It's all put in wrong," inspector says




From Abbie Boudreau and Scott Bronstein
CNN Special Investigations Unit

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Thousands of buildings at U.S. bases in Iraq and Afghanistan have such poorly installed wiring that American troops face life-threatening risks, a top inspector for the Army says.


These wires installed in Iraq are some of the most important to ensure safety. They all need to be replaced.

"It was horrible -- some of the worst electrical work I've ever seen," said Jim Childs, a master electrician and the top civilian expert in an Army safety survey. Childs told CNN that "with the buildings the way they are, we're playing Russian roulette."

Childs recently returned from Iraq, where he is taking part in a yearlong review aimed at correcting electrical hazards on U.S. bases. He told CNN that thousands of buildings in Iraq and Afghanistan are so badly wired that troops are at serious risk of death or injury.

He said problems are "everywhere" in Iraq, where 18 U.S. troops have died by electrocution since 2003. All deaths occurred in different circumstances and different locations, but many happened on U.S. bases being managed by various military contractors. The Army has has reopened investigations in at least five cases, according to Pentagon sources.

Of the nearly 30,000 buildings the Army's "Task Force Safe" has examined so far, Childs said more than half "failed miserably." And 8,527 had such serious problems that inspectors gave them a "flash" warning, meaning repairs had to be completed in four hours or the facility evacuated.

He said the majority of those buildings were wired by contractor KBR, based in Houston, Texas. KBR has faced extensive criticism from Congress over its performance in the war zone. KBR has defended its performance and argued it was not to blame for any fatalities.

Military electrocutions became a national issue about a year ago, after the January 2008 death of Staff Sgt. Ryan Maseth of Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. A decorated member of the Army's Green Berets, Maseth was electrocuted in his shower at a U.S. base in Baghdad that once served as one of Saddam Hussein's palaces.

His death was blamed on improper grounding and dangerous wiring on his living quarters. Soon after that, the Army asked Childs to help create "Task Force Safe," a team of master electricians assigned to inspect Army posts for electrical dangers.

Childs said the "large majority" of the buildings the task force examined in Iraq had been wired by KBR, which he expected would follow American standards. But the results, he said, were "just horrible."

In one building, "I had them pull a switch out of the wall to look at a switch, and when they pulled it out of the wall, the wires fell out of it," Childs said. Thinking that was an exception, "We pulled the one next to it. They fell off," he said. "It was just very, very poor quality work."

Shocks came often at U.S. bases, report finds
Much of the work was done by crews from countries beyond Iraq, "with very little supervision by anybody." And many of the problems involved improperly grounded systems that allowed plumbing to conduct electricity, which he said could lead to electric shocks such as the one that killed Maseth.

Childs said service orders on at least two occasions warned of the hazard in Maseth's quarters, and "two simple electrical 101s" should have been checked out by electricians.

"A competent electrical contractor and electrician would have gone to that job site and tried to discover why pipes could have been energized," he said. If they had been, "then Ryan Maseth would not have been electrocuted, in my opinion."

Maseth's family is suing KBR. An Army investigator has recommended that his cause of death be changed to "negligent homicide," accusing the company of failing to properly supervise or inspect its work. The Army has yet to accept the recommendation.

KBR has repeatedly said it was not responsible for Maseth's death or for any of the others and defended its work.

"KBR has worked diligently to address electrical issues when asked," the company told CNN in a written statement. "What is important to remember is the challenging environment in which these issues exist.

"The electrical standards in Iraq are nowhere near those of Western or U.S. standards. Add to this the challenges that exist in a war zone. We have been and remain committed to fully cooperating with the government on this issue."

But Childs said the majority of buildings on U.S. bases were built and wired by KBR since the U.S. invasion.
"They installed the housing units, they installed the electrical, they installed the wiring. They installed it all. And it's wrong," he said. "It's all put in wrong."
KBR was not alone, however. He said the Army survey found problems with every contractor whose work it inspected.

Task Force Safe has yet to inspect another 70,000 buildings in Iraq and has just begun its review of bases in Afghanistan, where contractors have raised similar concerns. In written answers to questions from CNN, Pentagon spokesman Chris Isleib said, "We are correcting hazardous conditions every day."

"This is a huge undertaking but absolutely necessary for the life, health and safety of our service members and civilians," he said. "When we find a defect, we put in an emergency work order and take action immediately to protect the people working or living in those facilities."

But Childs told CNN he is surprised more Americans have not been hurt

[Justus]

Everyone, including me, has been quick to jump on KBR but what about the government contracting authorities that accepted and authorized payment for all this work? Most of this was probably Corps of Engineers but I've never heard anyone asking why their QA (that's what they get paid for) allowed this to happen.

[The Wild Rover]

We used to call them the "Corp of Bunga-leers"
They are totally cluless.

[Grantlee]

I am headed that way in a couple of weeks )Iraq). I'm confused on one thing, KBR would not accept an application (recently) without proof of Journeymans and Master Licences. Does this mean that most are fakes or that we are running crews with no credentials from other "areas" I have corrected tons of grounding/bonding issues here in the states. There is a hell of a lot of EE's here that do not get it also, as well as most helpers; most inspectors know it. Looks like this trip is going to be damn interesting to say the least.

There is no substitute for knowing what to do.

[james fields]

When I was there my boss had 5 years in the trade. I ask him when he came to work for KBR. He said 5 years ago. I was told over and over again the only license you needed was a drivers license. Out of 8 to 12 men I was the only one that had a journeymen card.
Only work we did was replace replace parts and baby sit TCN. There were no inspectors. KBR was given a contract with little or no oversight. More than 1 company was suppose to have been given Iraq contracts but to this day I am not sure of any that did that was not part of the KBR group. These TCN
companies KBR was part owner.
George Bush was up for re election I wrote letter to my congressmen, 2
Democrat Presidential hopeful and the New York times , the president and the vice prisident no one wanted to know the truth. I ask this question how can you explain when a man or women is putting their lives on the line die taking a shower. It cost me a lot of money because I did not make my 330. But I could not lived with myself if I had stayed.
My sone was called up by the La guard it was my hope that someone was doing what ever they could to help my sons unit.
So instead of getting angry with KBR you should go after all those that I sent letters to.
KBR tried to rehire me.

[Gabriele]

Read in Stars and Stripes today that another contractor with Triple Canopy was electrocuted earlier this month while showering in Baghdad.

[pensacola_niceman]

Yes, it was at the Baghdad embassy compound. My company is about to start work at the security force camp there. I was told the guy was in the shower for 3 hours before they found him. No breaker ever tripped.

[james fields]

Yes, it was at the Baghdad embassy compound. My company is about to start work at the security force camp there. I was told the guy was in the shower for 3 hours before they found him. No breaker ever tripped. The Bagdad Embassy work was not done by KBR but a Co George Bush owes a favor. They have a new name. This is name number 4, I do not know it. Because of the great job they were given 2 more embassys to do.
I understand these contracts have been taken a way from them and give to another company.
Rummors about work being done by pig farmers may or not be fact.

[The Wild Rover]

Was it First Kuwaiti? Grunley Walsh? Aurora?

[pensacola_niceman]

Was it First Kuwaiti? Grunley Walsh? Aurora?

It was First Kuwaiti. I know this for an absolute fact

[pensacola_niceman]

First Kuwaiti fucked up a lot of other things at the US embassy in Baghdad too. The good news is that it gives us smaller contractors contract opportunities to go in and fix it. KBR is not the only company that provided substandard work in the early years of the war. Many RFPs are popping up to fix the work that previous contractors did.

Right now the hurdle is competing with Iraqi companies. The push is to give them as much work as possible. They also bid way low, and, as such, are winning a lot of contracts. Of course, thier work will be shit, a few have to die, before the government bean-counters realize that more money was lost than saved.

A warning to all rats: DO NOT accept a job offer from 1st Kuwaiti. I wouldn't work for KBR either - they treat their people like herded cattle.

[The Wild Rover]

I believe they are calling themselves "Aurora" now.

[Justus]

Aurora/Grunley-Walsh had nothing to do with the embassy construction in Baghad--that was a direct OBO contract to First Kuwaiti. The Little General had to waive requirements that it be awarded to a US company just so it could be awarded to FK.

[mtdevil]

Justus,
You are correctomundo.
MD

[Megga Watt]

Aurora/Grunley-Walsh had nothing to do with the embassy construction in Baghad--that was a direct OBO contract to First Kuwaiti. The Little General had to waive requirements that it be awarded to a US company just so it could be awarded to FK.

Justus you are 100% correct, FK built the security base camp at the embassy and the KBR inspectors turned it down after the kitchen caught fire the first day of operation by who else but KBR, because they added way too much equipment without checking the service or grounding. Jim Goldman and Mary French both cursed KBR and accused them of sabotage, Saying they did it because they didn't get the contract. I was there and saw it, it was a electrical nightmare.

[robbrossio]

Were there American electricians involved in this disaster?
I can't believe that any properly trained electrician would allow such gross neglegence on thier job.
But, when I worked for KBR we had several "electricians" that were former Home Depot electrical dept. employees, like the guys that stock the shelves and give out "wise, knowledgeble" advice to the customers.
The electricians on this project ought to be ashamed of themselves for thier actions and shotty workmanship...yet I sit and starve...

[Gabriele]

Ashamed, more like charged with negligent homicide

[robbrossio]

Good,
They deserve it and more.

[Justus]

I'm sure not defending KBR, FK, or any other contractor that does shoddy work, but no one has mentioned the government's role in all this.

All the work which has been responsible for all the electrical deaths in Iraq was supposedly inspected, signed-off on, and accepted by US gov't inspectors--whether it was COE, NAVFAC, AFCEE, OBO, or otherwise.

Does this relieve the contractor of responsibility...no. But there has to be some government responsibility in this too.

Thoughts?

[Pops]

AMEN!

[Gabriele]

Well, it is true that the inspectors signed off on it, but I've always held myself to be responsible for my work, although no one should/would be electrocuted by a phone, however in the Bell System days we were taught proper grounding proceedures and I had seen many times the evidence of what lighting would do to the wiring, so while we can point out all the others involved, I think we should make sure what we do is correct.

[pensacola_niceman]

I'm sure not defending KBR, FK, or any other contractor that does shoddy work, but no one has mentioned the government's role in all this.

All the work which has been responsible for all the electrical deaths in Iraq was supposedly inspected, signed-off on, and accepted by US gov't inspectors--whether it was COE, NAVFAC, AFCEE, OBO, or otherwise.

Does this relieve the contractor of responsibility...no. But there has to be some government responsibility in this too.

Thoughts?

We are working an OBO contract right now in Baghdad. They are not fooling around anymore. Every submittal is checked thoroughly and the oversight is definitely present. It would be very difficult to get away with shoddy work on a OBO contract nowadays. It would be impossible to get away with shoddy work with my company as long as I am the resident Electrical Engineer.

[pensacola_niceman]

Well, it is true that the inspectors signed off on it, but I've always held myself to be responsible for my work, although no one should/would be electrocuted by a phone, however in the Bell System days we were taught proper grounding proceedures and I had seen many times the evidence of what lighting would do to the wiring, so while we can point out all the others involved, I think we should make sure what we do is correct.

The NEC article 250 should be your guide for grounding.

[Javabear]

Well, it is true that the inspectors signed off on it, but I've always held myself to be responsible for my work, although no one should/would be electrocuted by a phone, however in the Bell System days we were taught proper grounding proceedures and I had seen many times the evidence of what lighting would do to the wiring, so while we can point out all the others involved, I think we should make sure what we do is correct.


I can remember not too long ago when adding phone jacks in people's houses that I got lit up when an incoming call came in. I was told that it takes 90 volts to make the bell ring on the old phones.

[Gabriele]

The NEC article 250 should be your guide for grounding.

We used the best guide, the Bell System Practices. Not to say the NEC 250 isn't good or correct, we were required to use the standards of the Bell System :rockwoot:

[Gabriele]

I can remember not too long ago when adding phone jacks in people's houses that I got lit up when an incoming call came in. I was told that it takes 90 volts to make the bell ring on the old phones.

Back in the day they used AC superimposed over DC to make the bell ring, 48VDC for talk battery, 90-100 VAC. I have seen/replaced inside wiring that was basically glass once either lighting or a splicers breakdown kit hit the line, seen protectors melted and drops (outside wire to the building) crytalized. One reason the warning of not being on a phone during lighting storms. Today they use either solid state or gas protectors rather then the old carbon ones.

[james fields]

Back in the day they used AC superimposed over DC to make the bell ring, 48VDC for talk battery, 90-100 VAC. I have seen/replaced inside wiring that was basically glass once either lighting or a splicers breakdown kit hit the line, seen protectors melted and drops (outside wire to the building) crytalized. One reason the warning of not being on a phone during lighting storms. Today they use either solid state or gas protectors rather then the old carbon ones.


here is half a list of KBR job for Electrician on their websight as of 09/20/2009
Rumors of KBR losing their contract must of just been rumors

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[The Wild Rover]

The last thing we need is more KBR wanna be tradesmen working on anything overseas...or working at home for that matter. KBR, and their poorly trained hillbilly workforce, need to crawl back into the poorly wired and improperly grounded trailer and take a shower. Please, do that for us..we have had enough innocent people die because of their lack of skill.:AR15

[Megga Watt]

The last thing we need is more KBR wanna be tradesmen working on anything overseas...or working at home for that matter. KBR, and their poorly trained hillbilly workforce, need to crawl back into the poorly wired and improperly grounded trailer and take a shower. Please, do that for us..we have had enough innocent people die because of their lack of skill.:AR15

:rockwoot: Amen to that Brother.:cheers