nut cuttin down to the facts contract example

[mexfishguide]

First off, this is my idea not that of rat pack or the consul members, just my idea of something to start with.
you do not like it why, you do like it except what.
Mexfishguide:cheers

Guys I modified this sheet and will with your help arrive at tool lists and proof of journeyman status. It has been suggested that telcom people have at least 1 - system certification and 10 years in the trade.

Sample journeyperson overseas work contract.

Company stuff

Dear ---------------------------- we are pleased to offer you employment in
----------------------------- as a journeyperson --------------------- At the rate of pay at us$------- per each hour worked.
To be eligible for this position, you have to
#1 – Prove your journeyman status.
# 2 – You must have and furnish your own hands tools.
Tool list and proof of journeyperson methods included, on seperate sheet.
This offer is for a 51 week agreement, which can be broken by either party with 1 weeks notice and appropriate reason. Bonus will not apply, unless you are termonated due to lack of work.
Air transportation to job site, furnished by company for coach class, your choice of aisle, or window, seat.
Transportation from airport, to job site, furnished by company.
Daily transportation lodging to job & return, furnished by company, method of transportation to be determined at the job site by the P.M..
Lodging – May be furnished by company, when it is, we try for only 2 people in a 2 bedroom, I bath place. Quality of lodging is also determined by job location. But we try hard, to make sure it a secure, & comfortable place.
Cost of the transportation and lodging, will be discussed with you, a reasonable charge will be made to you against the going per diem rate, the remainder will be paid to you as MEI.
We realize R&R is very important and we all need it, we offer you time off at 12 weeks,SSMTWTDSS = 9 days you pay your transportation and expense during these 9 days, no pay, or Per deim. At 24 weeks the same as 1 above, except the company pays roundtrip at coach to your point of departure, for the site. At 36 weeks same as #1 above.
At 51 weeks your air fare to point of departure will be paid, coach class. If you elect to stay on site and work, no R&R time, that’s fine but no pay in stead of time off.
Health insurance, furnished for you, and available for your family at a cost to you. Your air evacuation policy furnished with no deductible.
:rockwoot: Bonus = We offer only one type bonus at this signing, that is a attendance & completion bonus. This is bonus is based on 1 hours pay for each day worked, excepting time on authorized R&R and sick time you can prove. If you perform all the contracts stipulation for the 51 weeks and worked the full schedule, you are due 1 hrs pay for each day worked. This is not in effect at 3.5 mo. Are 7 months, Just at the51 week contract completion.
You agree to come to work everyday on time and work the full day! You are hired as a journeyperson to work with your tools and may supervise 1helper, you do the work not stand around and watch some one struggle at.
We consider a journeyperson to be one that can do all the work of their trade, with a set of blueprints and no supervisor. We will accept proof in several ways. See attached sheet.
You will provide the hand tools as listed for your trade, without them no work.Tool list see attached sheet.



I agree to these items – Mr. Hunter Green. Date --------
I agree to these items – Mr. company man. Datw ---------

[Gabriele]

sounds good, except for a couple of things I would like cleared up, one is the journeyman thing, the company I worked for didn't have these classifications for their techs, so while I would be considered a journeyman, I have no union "card" that states such. also could you clear up a bit on the R&R, no pay while on R&R and no pay for R&R if you work rather then take time off for no pay. Thanks

[mexfishguide]

OK in one of my last 2 posts threads, I called out pay for different crafts.

In this post I gave several ways to prove you are a journeyman, 4 in fact. The guys that do telecom, fire alarm, security systems, are not electricians,
but are techs.

What would you be called at that employer, technician? Helper? we are now trying to call techs electricians, and that is not true, a few are but most not.

In you case proof of years worked both USA and a broad, plus any technical training you have had. I am trying to bring some kind of order to our confushion.

To many times we are overseas and ask for iron workers but we get carpenters, we ask for pipe fitters we get iron workers, that is bad when you are responsible for the production.

Not putting any one down, if we can agree to a sample contract here, we have a chance to continue to up grade. Yes you are right on the R&R, once we get the wording into our contract we can work to improve it. If you know it are not some contracts call for an R&R at the end of the year only. If you do not want to take an R&R enough to foot the bill your choice, stay and work.

Thanks for your comments, they are very relavent.:rockwoot:

Take Care
Mexfishguide:cheers

[Pops]

I woked for the same company as GAbe, for a while they called us communications engineers, and sometimes system technicians....communications technicians, pbx installers, installation technicians..customer systems engineers..switch installation engineers..senior system technicians...all would be journeyman except installation techs...

man they had more titles than you could throw a stick at, all doing really the same thing.

in the old days when I asked to get some kind of certification I was told " you have the equivalent of 3 degrees"...now how do you put that on the wall or in a resume?

[Gabriele]

For the telecom trade I'd say that for the journeyman level one should have 10 years experience working on whatever level of equipment and at least one certification from a major telecom manufactuer (Avaya, Lucent, NEC, Nortel, etc) and for wiring (BICSI). Pops and I have each many years of experience, myself 38 years, starting from the basic installation and repair to very complex systems and I keep up with certifications. So should we,Pops, myself and other telecom types on this site come up with what would be a journeyman. The electricial folks can rely on the IBEW, btw I retired from the Seabees (as a reserve) as a Construction Electrican, what would that relate to?

[mexfishguide]

EXCELLENT - Comments guys, thats what I am looking for.

If this is agreeable we can very easily put this in the contract undeR proof of trade - must have 10 years in the trade and proof of system Certification.-

The rest of you guys get in here and sound off, let me know what you think?

Take Care
Mexfishguide:cheers

[Waitmar]

In most local unions there is a low volt division. Much like the insidewirerman, or residentail. We all share the same benifits, but pay scale is differnt. Somthing like that could work. :2cents

[mexfishguide]

Thanks

Your right it is a common thing. In my wage post I put the techs just a little lower then a JW. Not to make any one mad, its just the real life.:rockwoot:

Take care
Mexfishguide:cheers

[sme]

Mex.Thanks for your time ,I think a Contract or outline is a great idea
it would save a lot of time for all involved.
Good judgment comes from experience,and alot of that comes from bad judgment.:2cents
SME

[mexfishguide]

Thanks for your comment.

I know we can work this into something every one can use.

Take Care
Mexfishguide:cheers