New Blood

[HeadRat]

I got a topic for the council, you had kind of touched on it in the introductions.

What is the overall view from the Council about construction workers trying to get INTO the Overseas field?

[sparky58]

Could be good or could be bad. JUst like when I was running jobs in the states, I would fire or run off the slackers, you got the same type already here. If you could weed out the shit workers, some new blood can be a good thing. Making that happen is the tricky part :AR15

[TheJester]

It's debatable. If they know what they are doing, easy to get along with, and SHOW UP FOR WORK, I don't have a problem with them. Otherwise, no way.
Even so, if they are good, they are still competition for that next job. Let me think about it.

[TMMCD]

Overall the overseas field needs new blood. We are slowly become a dieing breed of qaulified tradespeople. The problem is finding young or qaulified people to do this kind of work. Look at the old fucks that companys are bringing in that do not know how to change there diapers.
Every overseas worker has a HUGE EGO and think they are the best of the best. Until the work load slows down is when you will start to see the best of the best and the field of wannabes start to dwindle. Bring on the new blood if they are QAULIFIED, we need them!
And with Jesters concerns about competition, if your good you have nothing to worry about. We are always going to fight "the good ole boy system". We have to try and be a step ahead and show our worth to beat that system. It all comes down to $$$! Company saves and makes money because we know are job, we go to the next job and make money. It is not rocket science. In the overseas world reputation means everything, good or bad. So if you are a new blood make sure you WORK on the reputation you want with your name.

[sparky58]

This follows up on what I said. The slackers will follow the path of least resistance. That is why most of the fuckups already here are HERE NOW! I realize the first reaction is self preservation, but look at it this way, maybe GOOD new blood will push out the SCUM, and that will force the companies to put more money in YOUR POCKET!! It's all politics. :banghead

[TheJester]

Sparky58, the only thing i don't agree with in your post is that it isn't a matter of being a slacker to get run off. From what I see, if you suck enough dick to management, it doesn't matter what you do: Not show up for work because you were hung over, because your hooker stayed all night, etc, it doesn't matter. Trust me, those excuses have been used on the jobsite I'm on now.
From the way I see it, it isn't even a good ole boy system any more, it's a cock sucker system.

If you're an FNG, is irrevilant, it is whether or not you know what you are doing, period. You don't know or are 'willing to learn' I'm going to be the one pushing out the door.

[The Wild Rover]

What some of you seem to forget is that at one time YOU were the low man on the totem pole, or "New Blood". Some of the guys on this site were brought into the overseas world because somebody cared enough to see a guy worth the effort enough to give him his first chance...I don't care who sucks what dick, or what excuses you have. Do your job and stop worrying about what somebody else has or does.
Prove yourself!!!!!
There are going to be times when a guy kisses ass and gets ahead. So what. Change the things you can, and don't worry about what you cannot change.
Every tradesman should be more than happy to have new guys. Somebody took the chance with you. A good tradesman is worthless if he cannot teach a skill to an apprentice or helper. What makes a good tradesman great, is if he can teach a skill, it proves you know the trade!!! It all comes around full circle...
On the other hand, I will not...NOT...teach somebody to do my entire job, that is not why I was hired. I was hired for my trade skills... I have taught too many guys too much of my trade, and now they call themselves "Journeymen", and they don't know 1-10th of what it takes to do this work. I went to school too long, and put up with too much bullshit to just give it away... The bottom line is.... you bring the skills, or stay home and sell Fuller brushes to old ladies. I would be glad to have new guys, just bring the skills, or get out of the way. We all were there once before, and I believe the weak weed themselves out.
I also see a lot of guys where it's their first job overseas...It can be better, and it will be worse. You don't like the conditions, suck it up, change it, or go home....just do me a favor, and have some pride in your trade, and get the job done, or get out of the business.
Bring on the new meat, I'm hungry...
And I am back online bitches, so hold on tight. Looks like there needs to be some valve tightening around here....squeak, squeak...
The Wild Rover

[TheJester]

What some of you seem to forget is that at one time YOU were the low man on the totem pole, or "New Blood". Some of the guys on this site were brought into the overseas world because somebody cared enough to see a guy worth the effort enough to give him his first chance...I don't care who sucks what dick, or what excuses you have. Do your job and stop worrying about what somebody else has or does.
Prove yourself!!!!!For some reason I get the feeling you are directing this at me?

There are going to be times when a guy kisses ass and gets ahead. So what. Change the things you can, and don't worry about what you cannot change.It isn't the kissing ass that bothers me, you are going to have that, it is the sucking dick that gets you out of getting in trouble for things that the HARD WORKERS are getting in trouble for, for no reason, IE: THIS JOB, that pisses me off.

Every tradesman should be more than happy to have new guys. Somebody took the chance with you. A good tradesman is worthless if he cannot teach a skill to an apprentice or helper. What makes a good tradesman great, is if he can teach a skill, it proves you know the trade!!! It all comes around full circle...Don't get me wrong, NEW, to me, does not mean bad. It does make me a little stand off'ish though, until I see what they can and can't do. I'm sure I get the same thing when I land on a job and other people have been there for a long time, especially since I'm so relatively young.

On the other hand, I will not...NOT...teach somebody to do my entire job, that is not why I was hired. I was hired for my trade skills...preach on brotha.

I have taught too many guys too much of my trade, and now they call themselves "Journeymen", and they don't know 1-10th of what it takes to do this work. again, I think we have not worked together in a long time, but I feel like you are talking about me, maybe I'm wrong.

I also see a lot of guys where it's their first job overseas...It can be better, and it will be worse. You don't like the conditions, suck it up, change it, or go home....just do me a favor, and have some pride in your trade, and get the job done, or get out of the business.CAN I GET AN AMEN?!?!

[The Wild Rover]

Hey,
Nothing was directed your way, or anyones in particulars way. It's the royal "YOU". I'm shouting it out to all that will listen. A voice from the darkness, to all that might hear me. And believe me, I know what you can do....I was one of your teachers. I'd like to think one of the better ones...remember making the concentric bends for the riser in the shaft? How many guys can do that off the top of their head? I know five, and you're one of them, because I took the time to teach you, because I believed when Foggy and me first saw you,we knew you had something...we pulled you from the clutches of the Frito Lay man...remember! What that job lacked, we made up for it in the right way. We knew what to look for. Duh...
I am just tired of all the BS that goes into getting a job overseas, and you hope and pray that the crew will be great. Lots of work, ball-busting, and producing a product in a "Journeyman-Like Manner". Lately, all I see are people that get the jobs, get paid the same as me, and have not made their bones like many have, and throw in slop work because you won't see it from East Bumfuck...It's all my opinion, thats all.. Heck, I have been on jobs where the ""Lectricians" couldn't bend 3/4 rigid, wire a switch, or tell 277 volts from 380 volts, delta or wye transformers, or a wire nut from a drop-in anchor, and that's the foreman!!!. I'm fucking tired of it. I wish they would hire skilled tradesmen, and we'd all be making the big money....because we deserve it. Hell, I'd take more of a chance on a new guy, than a lot of these loafs that are doing this now and have been with the company on a few jobs. They forget, or can't find their tools, or want to borrow your because theirs is broke!!! Well dumb-ass, who broke it, and NO, You can't borrow mine.
SO AMEN and a Hallelullia!!!
The Wild Rover

[HeadRat]

So, it's like this, Rover? Basically, with new blood you have a better chance of getting to them and showing them the "light" before they get corrupted from the "slackers", right?

Calm down Jester :awwww You getting a complex or something?

[The Wild Rover]

That's it in a nutshell. I'd rather have a new guy, and fresh, than an old dog telling me what he knows, and failing to do it.Then I gotta show him how to bend EMT, or asking him to chase down the EMT threader, and laughing my ass off, because to do this to a new/young guy, it is part of the fun,the experience,the lesson...we've all had to do this as we start out....but to do this to an "experienced" hand, it's sad...Why do I have to be the teacher. NO MORE!
The Wild Rover

[TheJester]

Yep Yep, I can feel you on that one. "...not sure what YOUR contract says, but MINE says NEEDS NO FURTHER TRAINING........if it is found that you do not have the ability to perform the tasks needed the company can and will lower your rate of pay..."

I'm not training any more either. Why am I training someone anyway, let alone that is getting paid the same rate as myself? Experience cost money.

[RatBrother]

I ain't holding anyones hand either on a job. I do not mind to help out the young blood , But, I aint here to be your Teacher. I'll be damned, to have to tell someone, Making the same rate as me, that you need to drive the set pin into a concrete anchor !! That is Day Fucking One, on the learning skills !!!! NOT after 15 years of inexperience !!!
We are DAMN lucky thus far that more people have not been seriosly injured or mamed. How do you fill out the accident report, under the " How could this accident have been avoided" ??????
and on top of that, These "Professionals" continued to be employed overseas!!! I thought this would be the best of the best. And I Was Wrooong!!! :wtf

[diablo]

It's been a little while since I have been online, but I would just like to say
YOU HIT IT ON THE NAIL HEAD ROVER, AMEN BROTHER :cheers

[RatBrother]

That aint the way we did it in the coal mines, back in Wesrt Virginia.

[Gabriele]

Overall the overseas field needs new blood. We are slowly become a dieing breed of qaulified tradespeople. The problem is finding young or qaulified people to do this kind of work. Look at the old fucks that companys are bringing in that do not know how to change there diapers.
Every overseas worker has a HUGE EGO and think they are the best of the best. Until the work load slows down is when you will start to see the best of the best and the field of wannabes start to dwindle. Bring on the new blood if they are QAULIFIED, we need them!
And with Jesters concerns about competition, if your good you have nothing to worry about. We are always going to fight "the good ole boy system". We have to try and be a step ahead and show our worth to beat that system. It all comes down to $$$! Company saves and makes money because we know are job, we go to the next job and make money. It is not rocket science. In the overseas world reputation means everything, good or bad. So if you are a new blood make sure you WORK on the reputation you want with your name.


WOW, a really rude fellow you are, maybe you should at least learn to spell before you slam others on their abilities.

What I did find on jobs I have worked on, both in the states and overseas, is that you have both good workers and bad, no matter what their ages.