Which is more annoying NOT to have on a job? [Archive] - Rat Pack International, the FIRST and ONLY Overseas Workers Forum

The Wild Rover

03-19-05, 07:16 AM

You can take 20 Monkeys, and put them in front of 20 typewriters, and in 20 years NONE of them will be able to put a sentence together...

Skilled Labor builds America. A skilled worker with shitty tools still gets the job done. Ever do a job with no bender,fifty 90's and a saw. I have. Lets see shitbirds do that...oh wait, they normally do, thats why we got this site, to help us get rid of the shitbirds. Just my opinion.
The Wild Rover

TheJester

03-19-05, 07:49 AM

Skilled Labor builds America. A skilled worker with shitty tools still gets the job done. Ever do a job with no bender,fifty 90's and a saw. I have.

Yeah, I voted the same way. We know it can still be done with a lack of tools, been doing it for years.

HeadRat

06-02-05, 06:53 PM

I believe the saying goes "...I've been doing so much with so little for so long that I can now do anything with nothing..."

You get people there that know what they are doing and you will get it done, with or without all the right tools. That's just a bonus that Skilled Tradesmen on your job bring to the table. It is not to say they will be very PLEASED about it, but they will get it done.

drifter

12-16-05, 03:29 PM

All of these things are important. (except a cafeteria). Without any one of these things, the job does not go as smoothly as you wish it to and therefore gets annoying. :2cents

Junior

12-17-05, 02:22 AM

Had to vote material here. Been going nuts lately for lack of parts. :banghead

owensemanuel

12-30-05, 03:01 AM

let me hear what ya got.tools never matter if u got right peeps rolling with u. you will get the job done :2cents

Megga Watt

11-01-06, 06:18 AM

Gabriele

11-01-06, 07:13 AM

What I find humerous here is all those bashing unskilled labor, hum I guess they all came out of the womb skilled in their trades.

The Wild Rover

11-01-06, 07:23 AM

No,
Just the annoying, overpaid, tempermental telecom techs are born that way. The rest of us, or the skilled few, were not born, we were hatched. Squak, squak!:cheers

Pops

11-01-06, 07:59 AM

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TheJester

11-01-06, 09:25 AM

Actually, I've been searching the net looking for "non-skilled carpenter repellant". Can't seem to find any SKILLED ones and these jobs attract UNSKILLED ones.

"you got a pulse?"
think so
"well, HELL, you're WAY more qualified than most, heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeere's your hammer"

Junior

11-01-06, 10:36 AM

Hey Jester, wanna hear something funny?

Had to vote material here. Been going nuts lately for lack of parts. :banghead

Yeah, I posted that 12/16 last year, I was in... let's see here...
Oh, wait, I think that was that Algeria job....
Hope they got that whole material problem taken care of.

RatBrother

11-03-06, 11:34 AM

:wtf OK how many of us have had all the tools we ever need on the Job?????:banghead
But we always make the grade and complete the job, and usually early.
Now the unskilled labor do several bad things 1 they never finish a job because they can't 2 they wouldn't know the right tool if they tripped over it because that is where they usually leave it. 3 they take less money for these jobs because they do not know what they are doing hence wages go down for everyone.
:AR15 GEE let me see which is more annoying :2up fuck unskilled labor

I can Make fucking tools that fix tools, I have done, so much with so little for so long, I can do anything with nothing. go cry to someone else that you do not have an extension for your paint roller !!!! Can't get it done with this equipment.

aniityberg

03-17-07, 09:56 AM

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Junior

03-18-07, 01:07 AM

Is this some kinda joke that I'm not in on? :wtf

Sasquatch

03-18-07, 02:59 AM

I see it they need to get skilled before going out on these jobs. To me an unskilled may make a helper, and he may not.

worker

03-18-07, 06:50 AM

Skilled labor is what it is skilled labor
Not multi craft labor trained overseas
Real Journeyman
Not guy's that go to the 7 eleven and get their JOURNEYMAN CARD
Guy's that are trained with years of experiance.
Please learn your trade at home then come overseas.

MrBOOCH

03-19-07, 01:13 PM

toddlampiris

03-22-07, 12:37 AM

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This first my message at a forum in section "http://www.ratpackinternational.com/packchat/index.php?". Here so much the necessary information.
Wish my of good luck!

Is this going to grow into one of those Nigerian / Canadian lottery scam letters??? :wtf

I think what some of you mean by skilled is 20 Years in a union with the "Don't kill the job" mentality thinking you are better and make more than those of us with 20 years of experience who choose to keep our money in our pockets instead of union fat cats spending it on lavish parties, cars and political parties some of us don't care to support. :kib:

Sasquatch

03-22-07, 01:10 AM

I think being skilled has nothing to do with Union or non Union. I believe it is having the experience and hands on knowledge. Being licensed is one way of knowing you have at least the mental aspect of the trade. The hands on just adds to your experience.

toddlampiris

03-22-07, 01:22 AM

Wow, I expected to get blasted for that post....
:cheers

Gabriele

03-22-07, 01:36 AM

Hey Todd, why were expecting a blast, are you that lonely in Beijing already?

:lol:

The Wild Rover

03-22-07, 02:59 AM

OK...Moved to place headrat indicated above, as off topic.

Gabriele

03-22-07, 03:50 AM

My experience with unions deals with two, the Printing Pressmen and the CWA, my longest being with the CWA. The CWA didn't provide classes on any thing that pertained to my job, they collected the dues, they provided information on elections, contracts, etc. My company provided all my schooling and of course the OJT. My feelings toward unions has been based mainly on how I was treated when I needed their backing. Many who were transfered to AT&T from the Bell Systems felt that the CWA didn't want to be bothered by the "small" amount of AT&T employees they represented. Some were represented by the IBEW, but those numbers dwendeld as the work force was cut and or transfered jobs to CWA represented units. I've always believed that the union at the local level was the backbone and strength of the union, however it is the headquarters that make the decisions. When I needed the unions help, I was told point blank, the union can not afford to handle every arbitration case, this is what led me to no longer be supportive of at my union. From what I see and hear here is that your union treats you well and with respect and I for one am happy to see that. :cheers

The Wild Rover

03-22-07, 04:29 AM

We are way off topic, but if I was told, by my organization, that there was not enough funding, time, or whatever to proceed with my arbitrations case...I would file a grievance, with representation from my lawyer, which would start the whole process rolling. This would require the understanding of the entire process, where most Union bylaws, and constitutions are set up for this purpose. Most lawyers understand this..I will admit, not every system is perfect, especially the union system, and sometimes, with the human factor, you need to push a little to get what you want. I just cannot see not working without it. I believe it does more good, than harm, for all...:2cents
So you can see, the electricians are by far, in my opinion, my choice in this forum.

Pops

03-22-07, 05:35 AM

Way off topic, this last stuff. TO Union or NOT to Union...that is not the question...to misquote Bill Shakespeare.

Unions though, since it was brought up, are only as good as the members' involvement. We have, as workers, many things to thank Unions of the past for. But Unions should not "rest on their laurels". Good ole CWA refused to represent me after I was "force reduced" with 3 days notice instead of the contract and state law requirements of at least 2 weeks. They said since I paid no dues anymore, I was not a member and so they could not represent me. Even though I TRIED to pay dues after being terminated. The state Senator said he would get my job back with a phone call, just hand him $15,000.00 and it was a done deal. He also said that of course the company would then just give me 2 weeks notice the first day back on the job. I didn't have much better luck with good ole IBEW local 51. IBEW didn't seem to WANT my dues and I had to hound them to finally give me the paperwork to fill out.

So for a happier topic, let's switch to "what is your favorite NON-American Beer?":cheers :cheers :cheers :cheers :cheers

HeadRat

03-22-07, 05:36 AM

:offtopic

Union Vs. Non-Union discussion is over here:
http://www.ratpackinternational.com/packchat/showthread.php?t=321

Pops

03-22-07, 05:49 AM

........and Gabe, all us old Bell Heads have millions of these stories, don't we?

The Wild Rover

03-22-07, 07:41 AM

Yeah, it's off topic, but according to the pole example above, "Other" may be considerded more important on a job if explained in the post. Maybe that should be an option, if some people think being Union, or Non-Union is more important. As there are people out there that think that is more important on a job. :cheers

Pops

03-22-07, 07:42 AM

Agreed...union or non union wouldn't be at the very top of my list, but that is just me, perhaps we would need to run the poll over?

Junior

03-22-07, 08:57 AM

Agreed...union or non union wouldn't be at the very top of my list, but that is just me, perhaps we would need to run the poll over?

yeah, we did that already. http://www.ratpackinternational.com/packchat/showthread.php?t=321

What happened to the "Off Topic" Smiley? I liked that guy.

Pops

03-22-07, 09:50 AM

I didn't mean we needed to run a poll which is better, union or non union, I meant should we compare the importance of union to tools, management, clean drinking water, etc...

and besides, I wasn't serious. I sometimes forget that you guys (girls) can't see the silly grin on my face...

Natch

03-22-07, 04:01 PM

and besides, I wasn't serious. I sometimes forget that you guys (girls) can't see the silly grin on my face...

I can see it all too well.

Grantlee

03-13-09, 02:02 PM

Give me the material and I will wire, build or whatever is required. Hell, I can make tools

Megga Watt

03-13-09, 06:26 PM

Give me the material and I will wire, build or whatever is required. Hell, I can make tools

KBR is looking for you:lol::moon:AR15:banghead

mexfishguide

03-14-09, 01:05 AM

Some good factors on the job are materials, tools, dedicated good craftsmen,
and I believe Good Superintendents -they can make your work a true pleasure, by being sure you have what it takes to do the job, including safety measures, plus stop a lot of cheep shit, from above. When a super directs his craftsmen to do this are that and is not willing to sign his name to it, Is not a stand up person. :wtf If a super is not willing to loose his job, in order to take care of his craftsmen, then he/her, is not worth a shit and is not a GOOD super.!!

Take Care:cheers
Mexfishguide

About the hardest thing, I have done in my life, is, leave the work force. It would be good to get back into the harness, BUT, the wifes cooking and her oversize, king size bed, makes it a little better.
:rockwoot:

desert rat 330

03-14-09, 04:22 AM

right now-tools and materials would be nice to get this job done. the Taliban spring attacks are heating things up around here in Afganistan:AR15:AR15 we want to get out of here:banghead HELP need beer and some crown royal:cheers

Ameristanman

12-03-11, 11:45 PM

I have been working over in Iraq for a while and the MOST frustrating thing is to not have materials. You get to a point where you have just enough of a certain product to get the job done to realize you are missing a fitting. Then you change the way you want to do it just to repeat the same process. You can have the tools and the knowledge but without the parts you are wasting your time. It makes you want to scream at times.AND don't get me started on the people who order the materials! LOL!:banghead