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The Wild Rover
06-01-07, 02:54 PM
This is what you get when you use sub-standard labor, with sub-standard contractors...the un-skilled labor alone cost the US millions of dollars. I am ashamed of this. Read below...


WASHINGTON - Detailed plans for the new U.S. Embassy under construction in Baghdad appeared online Thursday in a breach of the tight security surrounding the sensitive project.

Computer-generated projections of the soon-to-be completed, heavily fortified compound were posted on the Web site of the Kansas City, Mo.-based architectural firm that was contracted to design the massive facility in the Iraqi capital.

The images were removed by Berger Devine Yaeger Inc. shortly after the company was contacted by the State Department.

"We work very hard to ensure the safety and security of our employees overseas," said Gonzalo Gallegos, a department spokesman. "This kind of information out in the public domain detracts from that effort."

The 10 images included a scheme of the overall layout of the compound, plus depictions of individual buildings including the embassy itself, office annexes, the Marine Corps security post, swimming pool, recreation center and the ambassador's and deputy ambassador's residences.

U.S. officials said the posted plans conformed at least roughly to conceptual drawings for the new embassy, which is being built on the banks of the Tigris River behind huge fences due to concerns about insurgents' attacks.

Dan Sreebny, a spokesman for the embassy in Baghdad, declined to discuss the accuracy of the posted images.

"In terms of commenting whether they're accurate, obviously we wouldn't be commenting on that because we don't want people to know whether they're accurate or not for security reasons," he said.

Berger Devine Yaeger's parent company, the giant contractor Louis Berger Group, said the plans had been very preliminary and would not be of help to potential U.S. enemies.

"The actual information that was up there was purely conjectural and conceptual in nature," said company spokesman Jeffrey Willis. "Google Earth could give you a better snapshot of what the site looks like on the ground."

Some U.S. officials acknowledged that damage may have been done by the postings and used expletives to describe their personal reactions. Still, they downplayed the overall risk.

"People are eventually going to figure out where all these places are, but you don't have to draw them a map," said one senior official, speaking on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to talk about the embassy project.

Few are, and in Baghdad, the construction is under heavy guard and treated with extreme secrecy. It is off-limits to all but those with special passes, surrounded by tall, concrete blast walls and impossible to see except from the air.

The images posted on the Web site show that the $592 million embassy, expected to be completed in September on prime real estate two-thirds the size of Washington's National Mall, will be a spacious and comfortable facility, albeit dangerous.

Identified as the "Baghdad U.S. Embassy Compound Master Plan," the images show palm-lined paths, green grass gardens and volleyball and basketball courts outside the Marine post, as well as the swimming pool.

"In total, the 104-acre compound will include over twenty buildings, including one classified secure structure and housing for over 380 families," the Web site says.

It says the compound will include the embassy building, housing, a PX, commissary, cinema, retail and shopping areas, restaurants, schools, a fire station, power and water treatment plants as well as telecommunications and wastewater treatment facilities.

A U.S. Senate Foreign Relations Committee report last year said embassy security will be extraordinary: Setbacks and perimeter no-go areas will be especially deep, structures reinforced to 2.5 times the standard and five high-security entrances, plus an emergency entrance-exit.:wtf



I say after all this, what kind of "DIPLOMACY" are we going to have here anyhow...who the hell wants to play in that sandbox anyhow?:banghead

Gabriele
06-01-07, 03:19 PM
Wonder what would have happened if one of us had taken pictures and psoted them online----- I'm sure there will be some young newby diplomatic wannabes who will go there to get their shot with the DOS.

paintermike
06-01-07, 04:52 PM
:blahslap Wonder what would have happened if one of us had taken pictures and psoted them online----- I'm sure there will be some young newby diplomatic wannabes who will go there to get their shot with the DOS.WOW!!!! WHAT A STORY!!!! NO MO SECRECTY HEY???

Hey, I really like the title on this one. I was just wondering if it is typical for a job like these to go through the numbers of workers like I heard had gone through Beijing??? I heard it was like 2700 had gone through the job and that was a month ago?? Jus curious.

lucas.e.reilly
06-05-07, 07:07 AM
I currently live and work in Baghdad... security is no joke. 2700 in and out of the Beijing Embassy?... sounds about right. Baghdad is a industrialist paradise. The contracts for PPI and KBR are staggering. With the number and nationalities of their workers there is no gauruntee of absolute security. Local Nationals (barbers, portajohn maintenance engineers, you name it) have been known to pace out key locations on the FOB to better aim mortar attacks. In my particular station we handle alot of locals... much like ABU. The best assumption about OPSEC is that their is no OPSEC...

but...

an American architectual firm making it that easy for the out-of-towner mortar boys?... a little sad.

paintermike
06-05-07, 02:28 PM
I currently live and work in Baghdad... security is no joke. 2700 in and out of the Beijing Embassy?... sounds about right. Baghdad is a industrialist paradise. The contracts for PPI and KBR are staggering. With the number and nationalities of their workers there is no gauruntee of absolute security. Local Nationals (barbers, portajohn maintenance engineers, you name it) have been known to pace out key locations on the FOB to better aim mortar attacks. In my particular station we handle alot of locals... much like ABU. The best assumption about OPSEC is that their is no OPSEC...

but...

an American architectual firm making it that easy for the out-of-towner mortar boys?... a little sad.Hey, Jus was checkin how things are over there?? You in green zone i presume???Would like to kno what the weather is like now???How much is Mutton fajitas??? In China we we're fed CHINA -MEX every Thursday at lunch. BOY--OH BOY!!!! TASTY-- TASTY!!!It did get us by!!Anyway jus checkin on conditions.
THANK YOU
paintermike

The Wild Rover
06-05-07, 03:43 PM
If anything, he makes me laugh. Bless his Heart.

lucas.e.reilly
06-10-07, 11:03 AM
The green zone would be nice, security is the same everywhere. I missed my one chance to go sit in on a USACE meeting in that area. Too bad, I could have used the architectual plan off the website to find my way around.

No, I work a TIF on the edge of Victory. PPI and KBR are on the scene. We are but a few men in uniform trying to fill in the rebuilding gaps. There's so much I could say about the place, but I think I can sum it up in two words: "lowest bidder."

Mutton fajitas? Sounds good, but honestly... I don't ask them what kind of meat I'm eating.

The conditions aren't that bad and they're actually improving. There's a green beans coffee and a $3 barbershop now (can't miss'em, right behind the mental health trailor.) It's a life.

Camp Victory (and the adjacent camps) has alot of work for the trades. Were I not looking to work in Beijing, I'd stay right here for 12 more.

paintermike
06-12-07, 03:57 AM
The green zone would be nice, security is the same everywhere. I missed my one chance to go sit in on a USACE meeting in that area. Too bad, I could have used the architectual plan off the website to find my way around.

No, I work a TIF on the edge of Victory. PPI and KBR are on the scene. We are but a few men in uniform trying to fill in the rebuilding gaps. There's so much I could say about the place, but I think I can sum it up in two words: "lowest bidder."

Mutton fajitas? Sounds good, but honestly... I don't ask them what kind of meat I'm eating.

The conditions aren't that bad and they're actually improving. There's a green beans coffee and a $3 barbershop now (can't miss'em, right behind the mental health trailor.) It's a life.

Camp Victory (and the adjacent camps) has alot of work for the trades. Were I not looking to work in Beijing, I'd stay right here for 12 more.Thanks for the info. I worked in Beijing for a year and really liked it. I left there in Jan . and don't kno much about it other than when I left it was pretty messed up. Zachry isn't doin anymore International and from there you just have to really look on the net and keep yo ears open.Thank you
paintermike