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AK49

08-09-06, 11:49 PM

Being you used the term "Mechanic" There are some things you should know.
I'm new to this to, about a year. The thing i noticed most is a HVAC guy is a tin knocker and a "HVAC Mechanic" which it sounds like what you are. You need to get the job first and that means sell your self as a Electrician. Running conduit.
I was/am a HVAC service tech "Mechanic" Some 15 years and that didn't mean shit. All they wanted to was could i run Conduit and read a print. Once on the job they find out your skills and they'll exsploit them.
As young as you are and you want to bust into this type of work, and you dig what you do "Cause a smart guy would do something else" i at 22 would focus on DDC Controls/Fire alarm systems/Security shit.
All the pussy wire. Nobody is really into it. But HVAC Mechanics love this shit. Learn how to build these systems and you could right your ticket.
Next or first. get fucken Secret Clearence:banghead A company will have to pick you up.
All the big shit on jobs are factory fired up you don't touch the stuff. Plumbers and electricians install everything even if they don't know :wtf :wtf Guys like you figure why they don't work. Cause the factory guy are fuckin dumbasses.
Know freq drives and DDC and prints. They will save your ass or cover you in shit. Check the revision dates on prints "to not get fuck" and check those dates with the factory's when posible.
I've done the Carrier programs a while ago so your skills are proble very good and a couple of yours in the sand good.
Desert rat is a dam good Mechanic as well and he lives in our sand box called Arizona well look for you out there should be a good time .
Now the last thing. Take some time and come up with some goofy shit for a handle and drop your name from your header. I wondering if your a up tight dork.
stop huffing the 22 and check out the web sight this place is pretty cool, these people are like a big family and family sticks together.
read the post and threads get to know the people here and don't be afraid to ask question.
AK49:rockwoot:

Wheelsup

08-10-06, 02:57 AM

FalconJohn

08-10-06, 04:02 AM

If your not an electrician and you can't bend conduit then don't go around saying you can. This is the fucking problem on the overseas jobs. A bunch of lying goddamn clowns that can't do shit. Running condiut is a trade in itself and if you want to learn then sign up for an apprentiship. Learn it stateside and then bring your sorryass overseas. Stick with what you know. I'll be on the job 10 months running conduit and then you can show up the last few weeks and program you damn controller. Who made more money?

Wheels up you know what you are talking about from my first impression. Ak49 I think you are full of shit. Why tell a kid that wants to get into this work a load of crap like that. You really should back down. Bending conduit and the rest of electrical work/control work is a very technical trade. Bozo's always say once they have been shocked or burned something up that they "r an electrician". Anyone can run conduit that is complete shit. I am sure you have experience doing it that way. Can you spell "concentric". I bet you don't have a fucking clue as to what that is. Do you still have all your fingers and toes????? Answer honestly!!

I for one have been trained as an electrician and I have been in this business for twenty six years. Ninety percent of the so called "electricians" I have seen overseas couldn't hold a job as a second year apprentice in the U.S.

If you don't know what you are talking about, don't talk. :nono:

The Wild Rover

08-10-06, 05:38 AM

That was really not a good idea to make that statement AK49. I still can't believe you said that, at first I thought it was a joke, but I think you believe your own bullshit... I do not think this is what we are trying to promote on this site...bullshit like that. Buddy, on this site, you just opened a can of worms, as there are a lot of skilled, electrical tradesmen that take offence to what you said. I'd like to get a guy like you on my job... I can't begin to tell you how many jobs I've been on, where we get a guy that says he can run conduit, and he can't, and I get his cash and kick him in the ass down the road....not giving a damn about his "other skills". Now how about that for building a reputation...lots of guys will remember that. "Yeah remember that guy, he showed up and knew nothing about conduit, and he said he did...now he says he knows HVAC...I think I'd pass on that guy". Brandon, sell what you know, and build your reputation upon the foundation of being to work on time, being eager to work and learn something new about your trade and yourself, being sober, admitting when you are in over your head and asking for help (that's how you learn), having an honest work ethic...as in a days' pay for a days' labor, learning that THE EASY WAY IS NOT ALWAYS THE BEST WAY, and NOT listening to dumbass comments (and learning from them) like the ones AK49 just mentioned, and learn how to do it right by an apprenticeship in that trade, watching the ones doing it wrong, and paying attention to some of the old timers doing it right...you will know when it's done right, because the other tradesmen will tell you. Believe me, we know when work is done right. It is a sad shame, a lot of guys were hired not on SKILL, but on knowing somebody, or putting on their resume that they pulled wire or "ran" conduit on another project, and sometimes the contractor might just be looking for conduit men...what starts out as a "brilliant" idea, just winds up a mess, because they will ask you to wire some life safety, or security devices (the pussy work???), and that, my friend, is another aspect of electrical work that takes time to learn too, but is built on an electrical skill's background. I fix more mistakes installed this way.
I won't install HVAC work, I'll let you do that, because that's your trade. Keep trying bro, it'll come. It just takes time. Just DON'T listen to all the advice, filter it out, and go from there. I have helped more young guys starting out, and my advice is be the best you can be at your trade, subscribe to the site, and do use a different username, to protect yourself down the road.
And the clearance is necessary for the embassy work, and it pays for itself.:2cents

TheJester

08-10-06, 05:56 AM

thickcajun

08-10-06, 10:07 AM

THe use of a service tech overseas is almost useless.They have there own people who service these systems. ak hvac is really a dying art as you seen in albania. that was unplanned just throw it up. i would love to get together with the best of the best and really put on a clinic for one of these companies. i'm like everyone else sell yourself on what you know and everything will work out in the end.

mexfishguide

08-10-06, 11:09 AM

ALL OF US THAT WERE IN ALBANIA. Know it was a about one of a kind completely fucked up, every craft.

AK47 was sent to the site as a controlls man???????I did not have any control work so I put him with one of rat brother elec foremen. He went right to work at what ever we assigned him, at no time did he tell me he was an electrician, he did a pretty good job with the electrical work we assigned him.

He can work with me again when I have a spot. I will not become part of the argument, because I think AK47 was trying to be helpful. I agree a lot with you other guys as well, I am not to happy to give my 50years away to someone to dam lazy to learn by coming up through the ranks. I served a 4 year apprenticeship and went to school at night for 8 years to get my degree.
AK47 was better then several suppose to be journeymen we had therein Albania.

I have talked to several HR people and ask them please quit sending helpers out as journeymen and paying them journeyman pay////// That is wrong we carry that type around, they are never there when you need a hand, next job here they come again still not even a good helper, but now they have 2 embassys on their resume as a journeyman!!!

With my 50 years in the business they do not fool me for long, about long enough for the first 2 questions or so to come out of there mouth........

HR causes a lot of our problems, I sent for absolute construction electricians that can bend pipe, etc. what do I get, 3 out of 4 are not even 2nd year apprentices. Our contractors need to wake up. No way can 2 journeyman and 3 ?helpers? make a showing for a 5 man crew. Thats bullshit.

I have suggested before on this forum, we need to do the way I did working in the states, just simplely refuse to work with one of the scams!

I as talking to my old local last week - a first 6months apprentice makes
US$16.50 on the check and about 8 in benefits. If your are finishing your apprenticeship now, you can lookforward to US$41.16 and all most 1/2 that on your benefits. I tell you one thing a 2nd year apprenticeship there can dam well bend pipe and other duties of a journeyman.

A fact there is a shortage of good quality material to turn into an electrician.

I do not intend to argue with any of you, I do not think AZ47 will walk up to me and declare he is a journeyman electrician.

Take Care
Mexfishguide:cheers

Wheelsup

08-11-06, 09:19 PM

Mexfish I agree with your advice to refuse to work with the scam artist. These service techs types want to work overseas and make the big bucks but when they arrive they are faced with months and months of running conduit when all they really want to do is sit and fiddle fuck around with a laptop. The boss doesn't know what to do with the guy so he puts him with me. All I have to do is look at his toolbag and I know the story. A set of neon colored srewdrivers his girlfriend picked out for him at Wal-Mart. A Stanley set of regular pliers. A tiny pair of wire cutters that wouldn't cut #12 wire. :banghead Now the guys got an attitude because he: doesn't really want to run conduit. He doesn't really give a fuck because its not his trade. He doesn't want anybody telling him what to do because he's an older guy. Now I'm pissed because he won't follow directions. He's not responsible for anything. He makes the same amount of money I do. And on top of that when it comes time for him to do his thing , all of of sudden he gets real secretive and doesn't want anybody to know what he's doing. Well , fuck that. :AR15 Keep your 48 inch waist, doughnut eating ass home and we'll call you when we need you.

The Wild Rover

08-11-06, 11:53 PM

That was funny, and I agree 100%

Gabriele

08-11-06, 11:56 PM

What's the boss to do when he has a guy there but the site is behind and the guy can't do his work yet. The boss I had put guys with other trades to help out, if it was to bend conduit, hang drywall, do some mudding, etc, at least the company is getting some benefit for the money they are paying out.

The boss figured it would only be 3 to 4 months to do that portion of the project, but when the builder types don't have the areas built out yet or the conduits in, then you gotta use the guy somewhere, of course that 3 to 4 months work then becomes 10 months work.

The Wild Rover

08-12-06, 01:41 AM

This has been a bone in my side for years, and I have often talked about this on this website, and I will not change my mind now..They should hire the right craft people. The people that do the hiring most of the time simply read a resume and hire away, so there is no accountability. The contractors wind up with the warm body principle, which is what happened in Moscow, and is happening now in Beijing and Managua right now...low pay, a chance for a clearance, and overworked and underpaid SKILLED Journeymen training these idiots to do the work. It is not right, and not my fault they hired some guy that ran 50 feet of conduit on a telecom upgrade, so now he is hired as an electrician's helper?? I have a couple of guys that just pulled #12 lighting cable on a job, so now I think they can pull fiber, and CAT 6, and I have one guy on site that can do BIX blocks, and test for attenuation, so I'll have him train these guys to do this, and they will call themselves phone techs on their resumes...in fact, I think I'll just hire those guys to do all the telecom, except testing, and I'll bring in a guy that understands that stuff to train them for that...does that sound right, because I know you are a telecom guy Gabriele, so now we don't need telecom guys, do you like that? I know an asshole named Batman that is doing just that, accross all trades, and electrical and telecom is what he fucks up... Well, it's wrong, and that's how skilled, qualified electrical tradesmen feel when this stuff happens. Why is that person being paid the same wage as I am, because the HR person was too stupid to get another qualified electrician for 12 weeks, and then hire a controls guy for that portion of the project? And the excuse that the boss has no place to put this guy is bullshit. Send him home, and tell the assholes in the HR dept. to hire a qualified tradesman for that portion of the project. They are out there, get off the wallet boys!!
I agree 100% with OBO now requiring liscensed journeymen on some of the projects, hopefully it will be 100% soon, so I won't have to work with a guy that is not qualified to work in my trade. I think you should re-read AK-49's post, and simply replace his remarks about electrical work with comments about your own trade, and you see why I get pissed off about this. WE should not have to work with a man that does not know the trade, and then make excuses like the boss has no where to put them...bullshit. You would not see this on a government or prevailing wage project in the States, why should we be any different?! And I will not make excuses that the project is behind, so we'll use them elsewhere because the PM does not know how to manage his workforce. Send them home, and hire the tradesmen.

Pops

08-12-06, 03:04 AM

Wheelsup! Perfect description, I know this guy. Maybe know several of him.
Also good point is that if you got a guy onsite and his forte is not needed yet, you should use him at something. My personal pet peeve is someone who is saying "that's not my job" and expects to just sit till his job comes around. He should do SOMETHING even if he is not the best or fastest at it, he should hit it anyway. I ran conduit for a few weeks with Little Dave, and it was the most fun I have had in a while. Probably wasn't for Dave though, he had to baby me along a bit, and I sympathize with that. I just hope that I didn't slow him down, and make his overall production less because he was instructing me. And I am not stupid enough to think a company should hire me just to run conduit, with as little experience as I have. BUT, I think they were better off than having me sit around "Jonestown" on the computer playing solitaire. One thing that makes USA great is the "get er done" attitude. The whole project is our job, not just our little niche of it. (stepping down off my soapbox, reaching for another brew):cheers

:cheers :cheers Let me clarify the above remarks I made. "get er done- RIGHT". Not just throw it in. And WildRover, you nailed Batman! And I don't think companies should just hire on resumes, this forum would be a much better choice. During the course of a project, there comes times with most of the trades when your part slows down, I do think then we should all help each other, I don't mean that makes us all Electricians or Tilesetters or High Voltage Alternating Current guys. And we should not think it does. In Tblisi we had a cleaning period, afternoon on Saturday, I never compained about pushing a broom and picking up trash (other people's mostly). It is part of the job, the over all job. Some people, hell a lot of people, complained about having to do this, it was beneath them. Okay, if it is, who is going to do it? I took it as a kind of team building experience, we were all doing it, and getting it done together. We should not have the trades fighting each other, or jealouls of each other. It should be ALL of us together. You should at least be qualified in your own field, and keep an open mind about the other trades.
To do the best job, it takes good hands in ALL the trades. Rover said it, you can't just train a guy on how to do one little piece of a trade, and then expect him (or her) to be a tradesman. How many hours did we spend fixing Batmans work? The project would have been better off without it, would have been better for us to do it from scratch than to find and fix what he did.

Ramble on, and have another beer!:cheers :cheers

mexfishguide

08-12-06, 03:23 AM

I, and I believe it was jester, & one more, quite some time back were in agreement with tradesmen being required to have a license.

Too many of our workers sent overseas have not even had an interview with a person that knows anything about the tech crafts. If its on your resume your hired. It is then left up to the super. and his crew men to figure something out. I know because I have been ask, can't you figure something out for him.

A lot of places in the us? People are classified as EMT installers, Ridgid Conduit installers, branch wire pullers, cable pullers, tray installers, controll terminators, romex pullers, & light fixture installers. Myself I all ways just wrote across the question page JOURNEYMAN WIREMAN and was capable of anything they threw at me. And still am. To me you have to bend pipe to be a journeyman electrician period.....

Apprentice electricians in a lot of places are taught, and trained, to be a certified welder, fiber optic splicing & terminating, HVACR controlls, as well as design work. Plus pipe and wire skills.

It is just as bad on the rough in with nationals from other areas on site as craftsmen. In Astana for example, I was told you will get all trained help off onther embassys. What a joke, the first 40, so called electricians only
(1) could even start to bend ridgid pipe and none could cut and thread ridgid.

Had to borrow a plumber for that very completed chore. I am very much in favor of requiring journeymen being licensed are showing proof of having completed a full apprenticeship, for elec. plum. pipefitting, welders show certs, we need a way to show we rep qualified workers.

Guys give it a lot of thought what can we do to improve our rat folks??

Take Care
Mexfishguide:cheers

shanebo

08-12-06, 07:27 AM

I have read this Thread since its start......Does that make me an Electrician? I can bend pipe:cheers

The Wild Rover

08-12-06, 08:08 AM

Yep. You, AK, and I will be tool partners.:cheers
I only hope Brandon has read the entire post.

BrandonSmith

08-15-06, 05:11 PM

whoa whoa whoa, AK, come on man, that aint right. I know you, so I'm not going to attack you, cause I know you meant well by it all, but that isn't what you want to do Brandon.

I was in Albania with AK and that was a special situation (an extremely fucked up one). I would NOT suggest trying to sell yourself for anything other than what you know how to do. Especially if you are in DDC/HVAC Controls because that is a trade that is hard to find GOOD people in and even a "specialty" craft.

We all can go back and forth, but the fact of the matter is, if you REALLY want to do this overseas work, know the ins and outs, and even how to land that company that will GET YOU the clearance, I would suggest becoming a subscriber because that is where we do our "training" to help you out.

Not only will you get the tips you NEED to get out there, you will have access to all the jobs coming out, company contacts to get ahold of people and what not. It's worth it.
Look guys I'm may be young but I'm 25 yrs. old and I'm not a dumbass. I just finished up 2 years in Iraq woking this overseas shit. I'm not knew to any of this shit. I was an H.V.A.C. Foreman. And yes I'm all to familiar with the dumbasses who bullshitted their way into getting a job overseas doing some halfass shit. Where I was at that kind of shit even got some people killed. So believe me when I say, I don't need to sell myself on shit. I know what I know and I could probably teach some of you some things as well as learn some from you. I may be new to this site and all but definitely not new to this type of work environment. Yes, I do know electrical systems and how to run conduit, and the basic fucking principal of electricity, hell I wired my damn house that I built, as well as plumbed it out, but I don't run around calling myself an electrician or a plumber. Those guys are or at least should be experts at what they do. I know when it comes to anything in the H.V.A.C. Field I consider myself to be an expert. So I'm glad you guys had some fun with the new youngin' but I was just wandering exactly how the site works and all. I wasn't quite sure if you had to pay or what but now I got it OK. And for the record you can all call me Mr. Carrier. Bye the way AK49 you sound like you might be that guy on my jobsite that runs his mouth alot but don't know shit. Later

HeadRat

08-15-06, 08:12 PM

Well, said...............I think.
I don't think they were having fun at your expense though.

One thing I might add, before this gets all polluted. Uhm, I'm not sure of your experience and I'm not slighting you in any way, but a lot of what is going on in here is Embassy work and I don't know what all you've done, but trust me, it is an entirely different beast.

TheJester

08-15-06, 08:34 PM

Ah, FRESH MEAT!!! Where to start with this one? Hmmm, seems a little easy, but why Bontom isn't here to spout ignorant statements of stupidity any more. I'm glad you showed up or it would be kinda boring.Look guys I'm may be young but I'm 25 yrs. old and I'm not a dumbass. I just finished up 2 years in Iraq woking this overseas shit. I'm not knew to any of this shit.No, but you must be NEW to the DICTIONARY. '...They wanted me to go, but I told them "KNOW".':doh
2 Years in Iraq? Wow, hmm, that is commendable, I'll give you that, but you think THAT makes you know what the hell you are doing out here overseas? :blahslap Yeah, I've ran into a KBR screwball or two that "knew everything". So, that puts you arriving there at 23, I'm going to guess that MAYBE you were in an apprenticeship at 18, which is what, 3-4 years? That gives you MAYBE a year of experience at home and 2 in the field? It's not like a bird with one in the hand, brotha.

And yes I'm all to familiar with the dumbasses who bullshitted their way into getting a job overseas doing some halfass shit.If you were a KBR worker, I believe you on this point. If I were you, I would have went with the keeping my mouth shut and just letting people think what they wanted, versus opening it and proving them right.

I know what I know and I could probably teach some of you some things as well as learn some from you.Adding what you did in RED saved you from getting a REAL verbal bitch slapping. Otherwise it's freaking Popeye "I am's what I am's"

Yes, I do know electrical systems and how to run conduit, and the basic fucking principal of electricity, hell I wired my damn house that I built, as well as plumbed it out, but I don't run around calling myself an electrician or a plumber.I agree, however, see next statement.

And for the record you can all call me Mr. Carrier.You're joking, right? I mean, 25 and you're Mr. Carrier? Oh, I get it, as in Mr. Tried to CARRIER my fucking tools in a tomato basket, but failed.

Bye the way AK49 you sound like you might be that guy on my jobsite that runs his mouth alot but don't know shit. LaterYou're all about making friends and good first impressions I see.

Don't get me wrong, kiddo, and I do mean that in the most condescending (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?r=2&q=condescending) insulting fashion I can muster in a typed format, I'm glad you're here. There needs to be a rebirth of some fresh blood, but you're already irritating me because you remind me of ME at your age. I'm going to group you in the "barrel ahead blindly, back pedal as needed" work group. :1hifu

Pops

08-16-06, 03:20 AM

Jester, you nailed it...I knew he reminded me of someone too, and Damn it, I knew everything when I was 18! At 25 I still knew more than anyone else. After doing this stuff 36 years, somehow, I don't know it all anymore. Newbie, have a beer and cool off, no one is picking on you.:cheers

HeadRat

08-16-06, 04:53 AM

Now, now, children, settle :nono:

Sasquatch

08-16-06, 10:10 AM

It is a shame that I see a lot of people downgrading others, and just in general a lot of negative showings.
I don't think this can be a positive attitude that future employers on this site can see. I know there are a lot of undesirables in the field and I feel we need to have a professional attitude. The ones that don't perform are eventually weeded out. Stick to your guns and just refuse to work with them onsite, or try to help the see the error of their ways.

This is just my :2cents

The Wild Rover

08-16-06, 01:14 PM

Maybe we should stick to talking in low whispers on the job, about what we don't agree with...especially the dumbass contractors that hire these idiots!!! God forbid they should think we as a group have an opinion...if you get a rock in your shoe, do you leave it in there till it wears through the leather? Or do you remove it? This site is about overseas workers, for overseas workers, and if the damn contractors are afraid we might form an opinion about their shitty ass hiring policies and TALK about it as a group, then they can go to hell. This is why Unions are formed...GET IT??!! To protect the workers rights, as the contractors would have us working for peanuts if they could!!! The contractors ALL know we are here now, and they ALL know what the power of a group can do...if you do not speak your mind, and try to pass that off as "professional attitude" by being quiet and "refusing to work with them onsite", they will have us working at $23 an hour...oh wait, that's what they are paying the guys in beijing....lets all be quiet, and watch the whole lot of guys come to the site because they have clearances, and no skill. 700, yes, 700 men have passed through Beijing. They are ALL coming to the site soon, and I guess that being quiet and refusing to work with them the contractors will get the message to pay us more hourly, per diem, and better project conditions??? :wtf They will take over the work if we do not speak out. There are contractors that are blacklisting members for belonging to this site...should we fear this? No I say, they will have to deal with us...Ben Franklin said "An investment in knowledge always pays the best interest". Lets be smart, and talk about what we don't like, and we'll be rich in the long run, because you can't do it on the job...as some lowlife company wanna be will tattle-tale and give you a blackmark...I've seen it so many times...well, I say :flipa: to those type of backroom politics and ambitions.

TheJester

08-16-06, 06:21 PM

Pick a cliche:

"...we can all hang together now, or surely hang separately later..."

or

"...together we stand, divided we fall..."

Let me throw out some Job Sites:
Astana - Roommates or no job, "say no to roommates" came out (http://www.ratpackinternational.com/packchat/showthread.php?t=911&highlight=roommates), people started saying NO, and what happened? The company had to get it together and get everyone their own apts to get the people there to do the job.
Sofia - BEFORE RAT PACK, everyone there had roommates and a shitty hotel, but had to take it because they were to affraid to stand up to 'the man'
Beijing - $22/hour, NO PER DIEM, vacationing at HOME is almost forbidden, and work conditions suck. TRADESPEOPLE are NOT going because McDonalds almost pays as much and eventually the MORONS will screw it up as badly, as they did Moscow and Brazil, that they will HAVE to pay people money to come.
Most recently, Baghdad - "...I'm paying $35 an hour and if you won't work for that, I'll find someone that will..." Rat Pack General Concensus "fuuuuuuuuuuUUUuuUUUuUUUck YOU!" What is the common company offer there now? Double if not MORE than that and per diem.

Don't get me wrong, Sas, I agree with some of the stuff you are saying, but at the same time, if you are waiting for the MORONS to be "weeded" out by these companies, you are pissing up the wrong flag pole. Idiots do NOT get weeded out, they get fucking PROMOTED.

It's so bad, that I and others have adopted THIS work ethic: GO STUPID. Why? Look at the benefits: Less Stress, Less is expected of you while STILL having NO fear of loosing your job because they will NEVER fire anyone let alone EXECUTE the clause that is in EVERY contract "...if you are found to NOT be at a skill level deemed acceptable, you're pay may be reduced to an appropriate level..." If they will get weeded out, tell me why I'm being asked to TRAIN someone to do the same job I'm doing for the SAME PAY. Don't know shit, $14.75/hour is what you should be getting. Never been on an Embassy project, and I don't care WHAT THE FUCK you have been doing back in the states, there is NO WAY you should be in charge of ANYTHING on one.

I say, call a spade a spade. I and my 'posse' walk away from EVERY job with the company phone list for that job. On that list we also add their CRAFT and NICKNAME if they have one. Why? Because innevitably on a job later, someone will be walking around asking if I have worked with so and so, heard of them, etc. I go to my many lists and see what I or the 'posse' had commented about that person.

Who weeds out the slackers? WE DO. Using a famous line from my 'boy' the wild rover "...go to the bathroom, drop your pants, see that little fucking piece of flesh there? Grab your nuts and man up..."

Don't believe most of what I'm saying? Hit this thread which is mostly about a guy called "batman", http://www.ratpackinternational.com/packchat/showthread.php?t=1329 that guy STILL keeps getting work.

I'd get off my soap box, but I like the view up here. And as a side note a simple fact, NO ONE should be leaving the country, especially in this day and age for less than $30 an hour, per diem, benefits package is up to you as to what you will and will not accept.

Preach on, Rover, the nail has been throroughly hit.

Sasquatch

08-16-06, 10:33 PM

I can see your point Jester.

Gabriele

08-16-06, 11:56 PM

Don't believe most of what I'm saying? Hit this thread which is mostly about a guy called "batman", http://www.ratpackinternational.com/...ead.php?t=1329 that guy STILL keeps getting work.

I'd get off my soap box, but I like the view up here. And as a side note a simple fact, NO ONE should be leaving the country, especially in this day and age for less than $30 an hour, per diem, benefits package is up to you as to what you will and will not accept.
from what batman sent me in an email he won't be able to work on these projects anymore, something about living with a female in Cambodia. I got an offer for 31 an hour and when I signed the offer I was sent another offer saying they adjusted the monies and it was for 26 an hour but the bottom line caomes out the same, :wtf

The Wild Rover

08-17-06, 03:26 AM

Hey Buddy,
No offence meant to you Sasquatch, at least you have an opinion, and I appreciate that. I might not agree with it, but you are posting, which is so much more than the rest of these guys on this site that just take, take, take..I didn't mean to jump on you, just laddeling out my opinion in large portions, which doesn't make me right, just another opinionated guy...:cheers
And Jester, that avatar is kinda gay...do the pajamas come with the feet attached, is what I would ask that guy! And I would say this bro, you have come so far from the kid that got the nail in his knee when we first saw you in Moscow...Fog and I are so proud of you, you are quite the Journeyman (journey-prick). Yeah, I know, it took me a long time to say it, but looking at the road travelled, we all have come so far!:cheers

Pops

08-17-06, 03:48 AM

Amen Jester and Wild Rover! You virgins out there take note! This is some good stuff. Sasquatch you are definitely entitled to your opinion, hurray for you, but I don't agree with keeping quiet so our Comrades won't hear. If there is a problem, whatever it is, it hardly ever gets fixed by being quiet.

Oh, and Gabriele, I didn't know Batman had gone back to females, after his bj from his tranny girlfriend in Sophie, I thought maybe he was changing his luck permanently! All that bad stuff about Batman, here is one good thing, he knew where everthing was!:cheers

Gabriele

08-17-06, 01:57 PM

Oh, and Gabriele, I didn't know Batman had gone back to females, after his bj from his tranny girlfriend in Sophie, I thought maybe he was changing his luck permanently! All that bad stuff about Batman, here is one good thing, he knew where everthing was!:cheers

He used to tell about his room mate cutting the TV power cord. His girlfriend used to complain to me that all he wanted to do was watch videos all night, which explains why he spept all day. He did know where the stuff was and he had a good idea of how stuff was to be laid out, but he didn't do much, if any physical labor.

Pops

08-18-06, 03:12 AM

That is our Batman alright. His roommate also threw Batmans cell phone into his Batmans bedroom when it rang and rang, Batman had left it in the living room, it hit Batmans (female) girlfriend in the face....according to Batman.

His roommate definitely did cut the tv cord!

FalconJohn

08-18-06, 05:53 AM

Rover, Jester,

Right on, I couldn't agree more. I have only been doing the overseas gig for seven years but I traveled working all over the U.S. for about twelve before going overseas. Twenty-Six years in the electrical trade total.

I will train locals in the various countries to help these guys learn a trade. I wasn't taught to keep things close to my chest but to always teach. But after seeing the "bad" guys overseas. I have refused to teach these idiots from our own country, all they really want is for you to do it for them or tell their "local" crew how to do it so they can go screw off.

Brandon, not to bust your balls completely BUT at twenty-five you could not have finished what we in the west coast electrical unions call the second apprenticeship. I.e., four years of formal apprenticeship (now five years) and then four years actually doing the shit yourself without a journeyman to wipe your snotty nose or change your diaper. If you graduated high school at 18 and immediately got into a real apprenticeship, you would be considered a junior journeyman at 26. NO MR. attached. :kib: Oops, I guess I busted them anyway.

I know you didn't start this fiasco but it would have been better to stay out of the kennel if the dogs are in a frenzy.

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